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Hi Paul - this was an answer I placed on the Ivy list - which you could consider joining.

I answered the following thread about Buddhism which I have studied a bit but rejected: I would appreciate your and other Trommer's comments.

Ivy - lister:
I am not a buddhist, but sadly remain emeshed in the scientology mindfuck. I explore buddhism to give myself perspective, and the advantage of another model for consideration.

Martin:
Thanks for replying,

I recently discovered translations of "The dead sea scrolls" - and found them very interesting. beautiful and wise sayings

Have you read "Gods of Eden" by William Bramley? He speaks about "Maverick" religions becoming Custodial religions.

The only method I have come across in which the mind can be dismantled is by using TROM by Dennis Stephens.

Stephens addresses the mind and not peripheral phenomena or subjects - such as dynamics, ethics conditions and related "How to audit pc's."

Those subjects are probably very important ones and one possibly needs to have some modus operandi in life but they do not address the mind's command power.

Once one starts using the method - or by just reading TROM one starts on a journey of freeing oneself from the command power of the mind.

I, too, have been enamored with some very beautiful things in Buddhism, Catholicism, Hinduism and even in the Quran.

I have now concluded that the beautiful things are attractants to that very hidden "implant station" which is one's own mind.

It's not religion or politics which implants one. It's the command power of one's own mind. External influences may trigger those hidden postulates - within the mind - but when there is nothing to trigger, there is no effect.

Most of the meditative philosophies try to discard the metaphorical mind completely because they think they have discovered the so called source of their disabilities and aberrations and so they attempt getting rid of all thought and sit thinking "I must not think"which is nigh impossible!

Hubbard was aware of this trap and disparaged hypnotism and forbade meditation.

In studying TROM, one will discover that the mind is set in such a fashion that any attempt to create an effect upon the mind (Must be known) will cause it to resist the effect - The mind sets up a (Mustn’t
know).

The greater the attempt to create an effect upon it the more resistive it becomes.

Any attempt to withdraw from the mind (Mustn’t be known) will cause the
mind to seemingly pursue the being (Must know). Hence, the well known feeling of being ‘stuck with’ ones own mind.

So possibly you can now see why meditation becomes a futile exercise.

Discovering other realms using "Astral projection" in various degrees or "Remote viewing" may be very entertaining and exciting BUT - until one has rid oneself of the command power of the mind one will never be certain whether one is having a solipsistic experience or hallucination.

Phew!!, I've written more than I initially intended - Forgive my garrulousness and sententiousness if I have offered what you already know.


Martin
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Martin Foster
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