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Paul, I think all this tech talk on havingness is bullshit. Pure bullshit. It goes on forever and I have less now than I had when I started. I have been discussing with and observing people ( in my circle of family and acquaintances that I know their background and upbringing at least somewhat or at least enough to see a pattern ) who have things and people who do not have things, and comparing situations. And their degree of ability to have things. (And comparing it to stuff I read in various books on the subject) That includes people who have a charismatic personality and the ones that are likable and not likable. The ones people are attracted to and the ones people are not attracted to. And the various degrees in between. I see a relationship, how they were conceived and nurtured while being brought up. To explain what I mean: For example: In an ideal scenario: If the parents were in true love and conceived a child in true love and enjoyed each others' company and had a fulfilling relationship, little or no sex during pregnancy, and the mother was a good sane healthy mother, and spent a lot of time with the baby, breast fed the baby, played with the baby, constantly caressing it and kissing it and stimulating it's senses and mind, lots of affection, and did things to make the baby smile and laugh, and all that good stuff. The stuff that makes the child a bundle of joy. And all the while the baby was growing up, the parents had a good loving fulfilling relationship and helped develop the child positively to make that child all it can be. And the child was sufficiently acknowledged and complemented, praised and given wins through out it's development. and all the while there was plenty of positive social activities in and outside the home. Family gatherings, church functions, celebrations, religious holiday celebrations, positive religious rituals, and the like. Vs a situation where the parents were not in love and were only in an existence and fought a lot and had sex only to get their rocks off, and crazy sex during pregnancy, and when the child was born, was all but abandoned or out right abandoned and not played with and not nurtured and not caressed and not breast fed or not breast fed enough, no affection and not played with or not played with enough and the atmosphere in the home between the parents was usually cold or toxic. And where the child was never complimented, never acknowledged, never praised never given wins, and the like. Little or no family or social functions like in the prior example.....etc.. The person is introverted. And has a multitude of functional disorders. The only havingness the person has is a multitude of functional disorders. I cogged on the idea that I see a pretty clear evidence (pattern) that the child in the first example is charismatic, is likable, is easy to like, or even makes you want to like him or her, or even; you can't "not like" that person even if you are angry and totally pissed off at that person for some reason, and the person is always lucky, and has little or no trouble having things in life, including having a circle of friends around him or her and lots of people who want to be their friends. Things come easy to that person. The person is extroverted. And the exact opposite type of person in the later. No personality. No friends. Can't have anything. A schitzophrenic sex maniac. Always horny and can't find a good partner. ( the person is abnormally horny because the sex ( especially excessive sex) during pregnancy is a postulate: see Dianetics) Does not like people. People do not like him or her. If the person had no bad luck, the person would have no luck at all. I realized that these actions in both cases are postulates, or implants. This is where wordless postulates come in. They are feelings. Causitive feelings. Everything is a program or postulate. Everything is cause and effect. Nothing happens without a cause. I call them applied postulates. Whether positive or negative or even absence of postulates (nothing or abandonment) (called an abandonment complex). Which makes the child a "zero". Now you may say that you know people who do not fit those descriptions or something. Well, there are genetic factors too. Traits are also genetically inherited and determined by the conditions and emotional and spiritual states of the parents at the time of the conception. All it takes, for example, is for the parents to be in properly in love for only the window of time they conceive the child (one book I read says; including 40 days before conception) and that time is enough to get a dominant gene or even a recessive gene with the good characteristics to prevail. This is enough to give the kid an edge, to be able to overcome obstacles and barriers through out life. It is all relative. Genes contain all the information of what our parents and ancestors did, every iota. Everything is genetically recorded. That is why the bible says: The sins of the fathers are passed on to the third and fourth generation. So is everything else passed on. This gets to be a very complex issue because there are so many factors and so many variables of each factor it is like a huge complex algorithm. But in any event, I think I should of laid out enough basics to communicate the idea to demonstrate a pattern. Because I see it in myself and my family and acquaintances. I am of the later. In my twenties a boss described me as a product of my father having jerked off on a hot rock. Because I was a nothing. Not likable, no good friends, And terribly PTS (Potential trouble source) If I did not have any bad luck, I would have no luck at all. When I left home at 19, I could hardly walk a straight line from getting so much abuse. I still have a hard time if I get agitated. I easily get lost in familiar places. When I was in school, I always got lost going to the next class room or to the washroom or returning. To make matters worse, as a child, I was always told that I can't have that or that, when I wanted something. I was also often given a slap at the same time. And I got beat for making mistakes. Then I made more mistakes, developed learning disabilities and other functional disorders and made more mistakes, got beat more more and made more mistakes, (and went down the downward spiral) because my dad thought that you had to beat the child up to make him good. "Spare the rod and spoil the child." If some was good , more was better. I was diagnosed with schitzotypal personality disorder a few yrs ago. See: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/schizotypal-personality-disorder/DS00830/DSECTION=symptomshttp: The list on that site only lists a few symptoms, there are more. And there are variables of those too. The main stream psychologists are catching on and got some things right, but they still have a ways to go. Because I could not have things as a child I stole a few things as a child. Nothing serious, but nevertheless I see I did it to have havingness, I needed to have something. My parents did not provide it, so I stole it. I think this is the likely factor in what causes a person to become a thief in life. I could see it now. The thief wasn't allowed to have things as a child, even if it was something like a rattle or a favorite toy. It is still something to have. That is the way I see things now. David On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: 1. That which permits the experience of mass and pressure. (mass and energy) 2. Can be simply defined as ARC with the environment. 3. The result of creation. 4. The ability to duplicate that which one perceives or create a duplication of it. But it's duplication. 5. The ability to communicate with an is-ness The ability to conceive an is-ness and communicate with it. 6. Havingness is the concept of being able to reach or not being prevented from reaching. 7. The need (more like the ability) to have terminals and things to play for and on (to play with). (parenthesis are mine) Paul
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