************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Paul, what psychotropic drugs are you talking about? Vistaril? Or something else and if something else can you provide a link to the data cause I sure haven't seen any such info.
Hubbard never knew Crowley, they were not good friends as he stated in the PDC lecture. Crowley died in 1947. Hubbard was however very interested in Crowley's work and did make efforts to acquire some of his papers (per Nibs interview I saw on youtube.) One doesn't need to be exterior to get information. You aren't "in" this universe to begin with, it is in you. :) Paul wrote: "The trap of the OT Levels has yet to be addressed and in fact no one has spotted it as yet. It has been spotted by Tom Campbell and several doing MBT work. They have no idea that this trap is actually being used as a specific tenet of the OT Levels. Purely due to the fact that they have not studied or shall I say, have not done the OT Levels. I myself have run into this phenomenon and have unwittingly handled it own my own. I now recognize it and its importance when others see it as benign as it's high noon, the sun is therefore at its apex." Could you be specific? What is this trap you are taking about? BTs? You say no one has spotted it yet and then contradict yourself and say that it has been spotted in the very next sentence by Campbell & Co! What tenet of the OT levels? Why speak in generalities "I myself have run into this phenomenon"? Just spit it out man, why all the pussy footing? What are you talking about? Just entities? Or is there something more? Maybe then we can have a discussion about it. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Paul Tipon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TROM1] a little on Ron while I am on the virtual reality theme From Ron's actual writings, he knew about virtual reality. Back in those days the term virtual and virtual reality did not exist. The term used was Matrix. Ron mentions this in his lectures which are transcribed in the R&D Vols. When I saw the movie Matrix, one evening I went to my vols, picked one and went directly to a particular page. Sure enough, there was Ron talking about the Matrix. This reality and knowledge is only accessable through out of body experience, a trip into the non-physical universe all by itself. As I said in an earlier post, I believe Ron did out of body experiences. I'm personally sure that he did it with drugs and hypnosis and who knows what rituals. As I also stated earlier, he was closely associated with Aleister Crowley and others. He also has a lot of data about PDH'ing. I feel he got a lot of that data not just by observation but by also doing his own traveling out of body through drugs, hypnosis and whatever rituals of the moment. This time frame is prior to Dianetics. Through personal travel and investigation of facts upon Ron's death, I also found that he was back into the use of psycho tropic drugs in the end. My thought on that is that I personally know that Scn and the upper Bridge is a trap unto itself. Because of this I can see why Ron got back into drugs and how the Pilot, Ken Ogger also got into eventual trouble with Scn and committed suicide. There is a particular viewpoint in Scn where one is simply made to be the effect of a particular phenomenon which can drive one nutts. All of the upper OT Levels of Scn are just chuck full of this and in fact this trap is a basic tenet of the OT Levels. All research by whoever you care to point out have run into this and either address it 'OK, so the sky is blue, let's go on' or this is really annoying, can we just turn this down a bit and carry on with what we were doing. To name a few, Ron, Geoffrey, Ken Ogger (although that is an assumption on my part), Tom Campbell, various mystics, religions and religious leaders, on and on, ad infinitum. Now going back to GPM's. I can see that Dennis' Tech is a means to address the problems of running GPM's and getting through them without dying or becoming the full and adverse effect of them. If you study Ron and Scn closely you will find that Ron was never able to put a Tech together that took one safely through this area if at all. I would refer you to more on this by Geoffrey Filbert. There are more than just Geoffrey and in fact Dennis slightly addresses this area of Ron's work too, along with several others. One area I am still in search of is the original Clearing Course data. I know that GPM's were being run or at least run with GPM style auditing. Because of Ron's Tech not being able to completely handle GPM's and GPM running, I feel that Scn has defaulted to running Dianetics for one to go Clear. This schism started in the 60's and occurred with Ron himself around 72 which was probably an outcome from Ron not handling OTIII fully and correctly. Now that Ron is gone, I see no hope that Scn will ever discover this problem and solve it. It is dyed into the wool there. The trap of the OT Levels has yet to be addressed and in fact no one has spotted it as yet. It has been spotted by Tom Campbell and several doing MBT work. They have no idea that this trap is actually being used as a specific tenet of the OT Levels. Purely due to the fact that they have not studied or shall I say, have not done the OT Levels. I myself have run into this phenomenon and have unwittingly handled it own my own. I now recognize it and its importance when others see it as benign as it's high noon, the sun is therefore at its apex. Now going back to TROM. I see it as a method to methodically and piece-wise attack GPM's. It does not address them directly but the structure of the Postulate Failure Chart has the wherewithal to take them apart piece by piece without ever addressing the GPM and all of its glory and debasement as a package. Paul/Level 5 in progress _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
