************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi Paul What commands are you using for the Be, Do, Have process on level 4?
Thanks Pete On Oct 18, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Vladimir, > > You are quite right in your analytical break down. There is the inferred but > not stated beingness or viewpoint. When one does the command "Get the idea > of being forced to be _(overwhelmed/enhanced)_", the person doing the command > of course gets the idea of himself, the beingness, the viewpoint, the > Thetan/spirit being enhanced. As mentioned, the auxiliary would be getting > the idea of another being overwhelmed/enhanced. > > In your final sentence you also correctly bring up the point that the command > is also a doingness. There is a flow that occurs in the action of > overwhelming/enhancing. You characterize this as a doingness and of course > any action is composed of flows. No flows or zero flows of course is no > action at all, no doingness. > > By your comments, I also realized that the flows are composed of originated > or received flows. In other words there is also the flow or command of 'Get > the idea of being forced not to be _(overwhlemed/enhanced)_'. Running these > should be very productive in eliminating charge, all of those held in place > postulates. > > Now let me just use what Colleen is using, enhanced. It is interesting to > note that using just this one term narrows down the possibilities greatly. > Enhancing is a specific, only one type of action. If one does not use the > non life goal of 'not enhancing', one is not going to run everything out for > I am sure that there is not a single sole here or in the Universe who has not > at some time or another not enhanced, forced to not enhance. And after all, > Level 4 is overts, motivators and withholds. Then too as I mentioned, > enhancing is a specific type of action and that in itself narrows everything > down to just that one type of action. As an example, here's a good one that > does not get picked up with enhance, 'forced to sex' or 'forced to eat'. > Then too, how could one ever leave out 'forced to die' or even 'forced to > live'. As you can see and as Dennis states, this can get pretty gruesome. > > To me this is 'The' Level of all of the Levels. There is a specific > cognition that comes from this Level and the ability gained is 'Freedom from > Overwhelm', on all flows of course. To me, this is also the portal and > threshold to OT which gets handled on Level 5. One will never go free or > complete Level 5 if Level 4 is not done thoroughly and completely. > > This is why I advocate using the "Conditions of Existence". That way one > will cover everything that is there to handle without having to get into the > degradation and swill of all of the 'life goals'. After all, using just 'to > know' is only running the doingness and does not pick up the Have or Be in > the 'Conditions'. > > Although Dennis does not mention it at all, it is obvious to me and should be > to everyone that there are definitely two classes of overts here. There is > the effort, action, doingness to enhance through force and also to 'not > enhance'. I therefore suggest that because of what is getting handled here, > 'OVERWHELMS', that both the life goals and non life goals should be run on > all 8 commands. The withhold package consists of overts and motivators. > > Now I want to go to Dennis' exact command. It is "get the idea of forced to > know". Now if another goal is used in the place of 'to know' such as > 'enhance', then 'enhance' is used and the command becomes ... "get the idea > of forced to enhance". I wanted to point this out because in earlier posts > additional words were also interjected, i.e. "be enhanced". That is running > a beingness or 'be' of Be Do Have. There is also the doingness of 'to > enhance' along with the beingness of 'to be enhanced'. > > In addition to this correction and clarification, I also want to point out > why I feel that to completely get through Level 4, one must run all the > components of the "Conditions of Existence". That is LRH's definition of Be > Do Have. All conditions are composed of a beingness, a doingness and a > havingness. By running all of the 'Conditions', one will be certain to run > out all of the overwhelms and not miss any. > > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> These eight classes of overwhelm includes a beingness or viewpoint,. "Forced >> to know", "Preventing from being known", etc. is a space ( junior universe) >> where are located desirable or undesirable objects or effects ( dimension >> points). Any flows are direction for exchange of this dimension points. This >> exchange is doingness.Is this idea correct? > >> Vladimir. > > Paul/Level 5 in progress > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
