************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************ Hi Slim, I'm only now getting around to commenting on a few posts. Reading between the lines it seems you are having fun?
Have you ever considered that attributing our observations, experiences and education to our mock-up of self may be how we become enslaved to the idea of self and that just maybe we are not what we think we are? We may possibly not be the nouns we think we are! Noun's such as Spirit or Thetan. Oh yes we do thetaning or spiriting. Below are some quote's which I found very relevant and applicable. If anyone is interested - just google or ask and I'll refer you: Each moment Life streams through the gates of the senses, fresh and new. That's CONSCIOUS CONTACT. Then the mind hijacks it, says, "I am what's in conscious contact." There is simple consciousness of it; ------- seeing happens. Then the head says, ----------"I am doing that." WHO is seeing --- the sense of being the one seeing --- becomes more important than SEEING itself. Life is happening; it's a verb. The verb is the reality and the noun is the illusion. You are looking at it from the point of view of being a noun so you're missing it. That's what your head is doing all day: INTERPRETING what is going on and making it into a story about something else. You lose the verbing of life as soon as the noun claims the experience as something that happened to it. You say you want to be "awake." But while you are adsorbed in the story of self you will be unconscious to the fact that you are ALREADY AWAKE. Then you may have the curse of thinking you want to BECOME awake. Reinforcing the idea that you are not awake. The head is playing God. And it's already beat you, since now it's got you thinking you're not awake. It's going to play with that for years. There's no escaping WHAT'S SO. You can SENSE living or else you can THINK about it. That's the choice. This is not about acquiring knowledge. It's about waking up to the essence of what we call living. If you identify as SELF, you're going to inhabit the realm of WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING. The future and the past. A thought is just a thought; but it changes dramatically when it becomes MY thought. The interpretation of the thought as being mine is slapped on it. But that's not living, it's reliving - a self-centred system of thought and interpretation always going on. You think you're separate from life and it's HAPPENING TO you. "I'm the noun that everything is happening to." But there is no noun in living; it's just verbing. When you're seeing with a noun way of looking you are interpreting life from a false centre. And you don't understand why you're so confused. All the experiences of being a verb become something that the noun HAD. You want the verb-ness of life, but you're missing it. You're saddled with this noun way of looking at things. There is the dilemma: You cannot see you've made yourself into a noun. The noun cannot get the sense of peace because peace is a living movement, not a stagnant thing you acquire or capture. As a noun life becomes interpreted and you become a storage unit for the mind's interpretation of life. You're not experiencing a living moment, you're rehashing an old moment. You live from memory; interpretation is constantly presented to override the living-ness of life. As a noun the best you can do is to assume that you HAD an experience; you cannot be THAT in which the experience occurs. One is a movement; the other is a package deal. You're either moving with things or you are packaging them up, "I know this and that; I've had this and that experience." Taking the verb and transforming it into something you possess. The mind's interpretation is, "All right, I'm going to stick myself in front of that verb. Stick myself in as a noun and edit life, under the assumption that I am the doer of this verb. I am seeing, I am touching, I am feeling, I am hearing, and I am especially thinking about it all. The doer and the haver and the interpreter. Exhausting! Trying to have control over it all. Grasping at some assurance it's going to be okay down the river. Building dams and reservoirs. What fuels the selfing is your attention to the thoughts, your obsession with them. But the thoughts are about a body, not about you. Seeing that, you can become disinterested in it. The energy gets freed up. Maybe you'll even become interested in the source of life, called consciousness. Perhaps you have an epiphany: Life with the absence of self. You get the flavor of the moment, life-as-it-happens; and it startles the self into submission. The self goes down, goes to its corner, has some water thrown on it; but it's soon back in the ring again, saying, "Oh! I HAD the experience, this epiphany!" It pulls out a victory from the threshold of defeat. Generally the epiphany ends when this selfing arises and interpretation begins. A couple of epiphanies like that and you'll be a spiritual noun. Ha-ha! But the epiphany may offer a glimpse outside the box of being a noun - a portal between timeless and time I call the "pause" or the "gap." Attention gets out of the box and spreads out. An eternal non-time event in this linear story of time. Witnessing seeing, feeling, touching, tasting, and thinking as the eye would witness a passing bird. That's conscious contact. The mind's reaction to conscious contact is: I am doing the seeing, touching, thinking. The mind's major method of moving is CLAIMING. There is life; then the mind claims that life. You can drop down into verbing and see the noun in action. See it on its throne. The verbing doesn't stop; it's always on. There is not a "past of presence" nor a "future of presence." There is BEING. Now. You have tons of old ideas about you. Unless you let go of these you are traveling very heavy. You're meant to be fluid. A very light boat that can navigate and handle different kinds of weather. You're just an old tanker now. Each moment big waves coming in. You need relief. But where do you go for that release? To your head! Which is the problem. The relief it offers is part of the bondage to self. We go to the problem asking for advice! Get a better self? When will that be delivered? Never now. Always put off. "When I arrive there, it will all be great." And when you arrive? The happiness doesn't arrive; and the mind blames you for it. Selfing is not what you are. There is no noun happening. But when you look into the past, or look into the future, it's all about what is happening to the self. It can worry the hell out of you. Solution: Look at a situation and see no problem. Only what is now. Being-ness. With that recognition comes immunity from becoming a noun. The real flavor of life, just happening - not happening "to me" - this is the open secret, the gateless gate. Available at all times. Realize you not in the problem. Never have been. That's the solution. The lie is that you were "in self." But you never were. Your attention was hijacked, that's all. You and I have tons of faith. But what vehicle do you put it in? Most of us have been putting it into the idea of self, of self-centeredness. This leads to fear, since self-centeredness is unreliable. You faith in self produces the anxiety that you try to deal with as though it's real and solid. The same faith put into the infinite will create an ease and comfort. Traveling lighter. The mind tries to write its relevance into the story. But things are just happening. It has nothing to do with the self at all. The head's interpretation is causing travel to be very heavy. All based on the idea of being a self. Self says it wants to "be free," but true freedom is to be free OF IT: To be the verb of attention, pure and freed from self. Selfing needs attention; when the attention is taken from it, there is the freedom. Something has been witnessing through you. If you knew what had been witnessing through you, it would take your breath way. You would just sit there in adoring gratitude. -----Original Message----- From: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] On Behalf Of Spe Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:20 AM To: Tromlist Subject: [TROM1] The basic law that governs this universe ************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************ Many don't realize the true nature and laws of this universe. For example. There is no past nor future outside of this universe. These things are within this universe. Other universes too but not necessarily . The past is the distance in one direction and the future is what extends in the other direction. A stick has a past and future. So does a grain of salt. It's simply the duration in which it exists. I you leave this universe , create a thought and then return to this universe there will be no recollection of it . There are recollections we may have of other universes similar to this one but you'll need to go there ( put your attention there ) so to speak to recall them. This universe is made of two things . not three. A past and a future. The present is actually an illusion . As soon as a thing is created , it slips into the past and even extends into the future depending on its creation. The present is what's in-between but it actually is just an illusion . As soon as it's known, it becomes a thing of the past. We can simultainiously consider ourself to be in and out of this universe but it's a little confusing. There is no time outside of this universe. Time is a consideration while operating within it or another universe similar to this one. We can know anything that has happened or will happen in this universe by operating in and outside of this universe simultainiously. If you leave this universe and know the future while outside of it you will not have a recollection when you return . The past only exists within this universe , not outside of it unless you enter another universe similar to this one . There's nothing, no universal laws between universes. No past, no duality , no up no down , no know, no not know, etc . These are all things that exist while operating within this universe. There are no basic laws between universes unless you create them but even then , once you do, that consideration becomes a universe in it's own right of which you can simply walk away from forever. So we can know the future while outside this universe but have no recollection when we return . Recollection is simply knowing the past of this universe. knowing the future is not unlike knowing the past . You just direct your attention in the other direction while being in and out of this universe simultainioulsy. There's certainly no law against that and once you fully understand that " loop hole " it ipso facto eliminates the basic law that governs this universe. You just create your way around it and the basic law vanishes. it's gone by default in a way . Just as time breaking does. You just create your way out. No harm , no foul, no non like goal. This universe is a life form as is this planet in the universe and our bodies on this planet and the microscopic life on our bodies and so on. A life form need not be animated either. It can be as solid as a diamond. The one thing all life forms in this universe share is the law of duality. The laws of relativity are based on the laws of this universe . The universe is a creation. It's already been created as are the creations yet to come . The best you'll ever do is leave it. The second best is to leave it and remain in it simultaneously. One foot in and the other foot out. The universe will always be the same as its as finite as a grain of sand. If you snap the universe in half you still have the laws it was created with intact . But youll just have two of them separated by nothingness. _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6096 - Release Date: 02/11/13 _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
