************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ It's fabulous to see how the the list has been reenergized!
(I have been part of the list since 2010 when I first encountered TROM possibly under another email addy.) Love reading about Trommers wins and struggles. I think staying on topic is good for the group and making contributions from scio to clarify certain points since TROM grew out of it is also ok in my opinion. I am the moderator of another totally unrelated group and have strict policies about entheta posts although I always encourage healthy debate. I think our understanding of any topic improves out of our exposure to diverse viewpoints on the subject matter. My policy is if you don't like the group or the subject matter, you are free to leave rather than trash others who are there and who enjoy the subject matter. Personally I'm doing another round of TROM from scratch. I kinda bogged down on level 5 in 2010. The break has done me well. Certainly I have a far greater understanding of games play here on the planet and elsewhere (without wanting to sound too grandiose about it.) I think Dennis' TROM aced the GPM tech LRH tried to develop but apparently he LRH got bogged down with it. Other ex scio old timers have done some work in the area as well and various processes evolved out of that. Most of you are familiar with those. Personally i think The Pilot covered some of it in his one book and I think Geoffrey Filbert intimates that GPMs are what's "wrong" with the person. That said I think TROM is probably the most complete tech that deals with the whole area and spectacularly unravels the mind once successfully completed. And of course confers massive ability. Time to TROM. Eljay On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:43 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tone Arm and Responsibility (Cory Keeler) > 2. Re: RE Ethics (Paul Tipon) > 3. Re: RE Tone Arm (Paul Tipon) > 4. Re: Tone Arm and Responsibility (Paul Tipon) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 19:18:17 -0700 > From: Cory Keeler <[email protected]> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Tone Arm and Responsibility > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I love talking about polarity. However what I see is that applying ethics is > a matter of doing right or doing wrong. And any game is polarized, thus to > have ethics in is to be good, and that makes it a game. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Hi Cory, >> >> Freedom from games is to not have the intention that there will be a win or >> a loss or both, a winner and a looser. Some will always come to a >> conclusion of a win or a loss or both but you don't have to. Some cannot >> see beyond having winners and loosers. One should be content that things >> can happen and happen for the better. In this way, Ethics can be applied >> without one having to enter into games. The physical universe is a force >> universe but it is not a necessity that it also be a two pole and have >> polarizing effects. There can be best and almost as good as best. We don't >> have to have the best and the worst. >> >> It's all subjective even when it is objective and purely physical. What can >> you see? >> >> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >> >>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Cory Keeler wrote: >>> >>> Just curious you wrote: >>> >>>> It is up to each individual to be free of games and have their Ethics in >>>> to avoid catching themselves up with out-Ethics and having motivators. >>> >>> Is not having ethics in and being free of games impossible? Ethics involves >>> games right? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140208/c8fc085d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 21:08:00 -0800 > From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] RE Ethics > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > Truly OUTSTANDING! > > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul > > On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Colleen K. Peltomaa wrote: >> >> Hello Paul, >> >> Just got out of a session and realized that the best thing I could >> do for others is to do Trom to completion and learn to simply be >> present. >> >> Always take the high road. >> >> Colleen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140208/6511e176/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 21:20:08 -0800 > From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] RE Tone Arm > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > Hi Pete and Colleen, > > A high TA is an indication of one 'not being there', not in present > time, being non-confronting, attention on case, essentially not aware > of the environment and therefore irresponsible for the person is not > assessing what is in front of them. That's why one of the > definitions of Clear is aware of being aware. > > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul > > On Feb 8, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: > >> Hi Colleen >> Here is item 3 from section C The Tone Arm from the book Emeter >> Essentials: >> >> 3. Because of the construction of an E-Meter, the Tone Arm cannot >> pass through the bottom of the dial. As a low-toned case gains >> responsibility, the Tone Arm goes from three or two to 1.5 to 1 to >> 6 to 5 to 4 to 3 (for a male) and then to 2 (for a female). This >> occurs over a long term of processing, of course, and takes many, >> many hours of processing and the Tone Arm ebbs and flows back and >> forth. >> >> The book also says most people start at a TA of 4 or 5. >> >> In Scientology the PC starts wherever the are for TA then proceed >> to the state of clear where they are at an unshakable 2 for females >> or 3 for males. >> >> In TROM this point occurs at the end of level 3 as Dennis says in >> the text. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, "Colleen K. Peltomaa" >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> So, if I have it straight, tone arm, whether too high or too low >>> is not a factor in understanding and doing the remedial practices >>> of TROM. Although I think it should be said here that >>> Scientology does have some workable checklists and handlings for >>> high tone arm. >>> >>> Was it the doing of TROM that got your tone arm into normal range? >>> >>> colleen >> >> C. PRACTICE >> >> THE TONE ARM >> >> 1. The three general states have many way stops. There is always a >> lower-toned mockery of higher tones. A low-tone case, to the >> relatively unskilled, can be at clear read, unreactive on a sticky >> sort of needle. He cannot however do things in Life. He or she >> cannot answer questions intelligently about Help or Control. >> 2. The first advance of a very low-toned case may be to drop into >> the minus two area on the Tone Arm Dial. >> 3. Because of the construction of an E-Meter, the Tone Arm cannot >> pass through the bottom of the dial. As a low-toned case gains >> responsibility, the Tone Arm goes from three or two to 1.5 to 1 to >> 6 to 5 to 4 to 3 (for a male) and then to 2 (for a female). This >> occurs over a long term of processing, of course, and takes many, >> many hours of processing and the Tone Arm ebbs and flows back and >> forth. >> 4. Very few cases are in a ?dead? state. Most cases will be found >> on the Tone Arm around 4 or 5. >> 5. The Tone Arm registers Density of Mass (ridges, pictures, >> machines, circuits) in the mind of the preclear. This is actual >> mass, not imaginary, and can be weighed, measured by resistance, etc. >> 6. Therefore the Tone Arm registers State of Case at any given >> time in processing. >> 7. The Tone Arm also registers advance of case during processing >> by moving. An unmoving case has an unmoving Tone Arm. A moving case >> has a moving Tone Arm. >> 8. If a case is not moving, no matter what the preclear says, the >> Tone Arm is not moving. >> 9. If a case is moving, no matter what the preclear says, the Tone >> Arm is moving during processing. >> 10. If the Tone Arm shows motion, continue the process, until the >> EP of that process is reached. >> 11. If the Tone Arm shows no motion, you can change the process. >> 12. To change a process while the Tone Arm shows good motion will >> leave the pc with By-Passed Charge. The process should be continued >> to the EP of that process. >> 13. When a level of the Pre-Havingness Scale is flat for terminal, >> the Tone Arm is showing very little motion. One must reassess for a >> new level for the same terminal on the Scale, whereupon the Tone >> Arm will again show motion. >> 14. When all levels that needle-register on the Pre-Havingness >> Scale are flat, the Tone Arm will no longer show motion, but >> neither will it stick in a frozen way. >> 15. It is a nice judgment when to leave a process. The judgment is >> done by the Tone Arm action. >> 16. When the Tone Arm slows down and isn?t moving more than a >> quarter of an inch up or down, it is time to reassess. To go longer >> would stick the Tone Arm and make needle action too stuck for a >> reassessment to be possible. You will always find any unflat level >> in future reassessments on the Pre-Havingness Scale so it is not >> dangerous to so leave one. It is dangerous to leave a level of the >> Pre-Havingness Scale when the Tone Arm shows motions of one inch up >> or down the Tone Arm Dial, as the preclear will get confused. >> 17. Take hold of the Tone Arm of your E-Meter. Set it at 4.5 on >> its dial. Move it to 3. Move it to 5. Now pretend a period of >> twenty minutes. Move the Tone Arm from 5 to 4, then from 4 to 4.5, >> then from 4.5 to 3.5, then from 3.5 to 4.8, then from 4.8 to 4. If >> all that happened in twenty minutes of processing, that is terrific >> Tone Arm motion. The case would be changing very, very well. You >> would not change a process. You would go on running the same process. >> 18. Take the Tone Arm in hand again. Set it at 3.5. Pretend a >> period of twenty minutes. Move it from 3.5 to 3.3. Move it from 3.3 >> to 3.6. Move it from 3.6 to 3.4. If that?s all that happened in >> twenty minutes of processing, be alert, for you?d better reassess >> for a new level for the termination the Pre-Havingness Scale. The >> Tone Arm may be getting ready to stick. >> 19. But don?t be surprised if the Tone Arm motion suddenly picks >> up again. If it does, carry on with the same process. >> 20. The above give you two extremes of Tone Arm motion. The first >> example is excellent motion. The second example is poor motion. >> Between these two examples you have a variety of types of motion. >> 21. In using the meter you are trying to (a) assess for a process >> that will produce Tone Arm motion and (b) run the motion out of the >> Tone Arm. >> 22. When the Tone Arm does not move under processing one of two >> things is true: (a) you didn?t get the right process to run, or (b) >> you have run it flat. The remedy for (a) is to do better assessment >> and run another process. The remedy for (b) is to do another >> assessment. >> 23. That the Tone Arm moves under processing denotes a change in >> the preclear?s mind. That the Tone Arm doesn?t move under >> processing denotes no change of mass, pictures, machinery or >> circuits in the preclear. >> 24. When a preclear is clear he may occasionally get some Tone Arm >> motion due to purely body electronics but in the main reads at male >> or female on the arm (3 or 2) according to his or her sex. >> 25. As a preclear nears clear, an assessment plus a few commands >> will ?blow? the connected masses and thus flatten the terminal >> chosen. As a preclear gets even nearer, assessment alone blows the >> remaining masses. Therefore, when the state is approached, the Tone >> Arm motion gets less and less, no matter what you do. But the >> condition is self-evident when observed, the preclear gaining more >> and more effect on his bank with less and less time necessary to >> remedy a condition. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 21:44:14 -0800 > From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Tone Arm and Responsibility > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > Hi Cory, > > Yes, your conclusion is correct but there are still three parts. If > you are not into having a winner or a looser in an encounter with > another or others, then there is no game by you. The other or others > may not see it that way and are looking for a winner or a looser so > it is a game for them. From an exterior view of an encounter, the > encounter may be a game or not a game to all of those doing > encountering. No conclusions can be taken until more actions have > been taken and those actions are available to view. > > The one who has 'Freedom from Overwhelm' and 'Freedom from Games' can > be thought of as a stranger in a strange land and be very alone. > This is why Dennis says that you will be alone as you progress > through TROM and the only way to avoid this is to also take someone > with you. I forget if he makes that statement after Level 3 or 4. > > One may have his Ethics in and may not have a game within an > encounter but the encounter is still the playing of a game and one or > more of the encounterors may wind up exiting the encounter as neutral > for they did not play the game to a win or a loose. They just > participated and their underlying intention was for everyone to do > well and not necessarily loose but not have to win. For those > sticklers that have to have polarities, no matter what, it can be > said that the encounter was a win-win situation. And again it can be > said for a particular encounter as this, win-win, there is and was no > game. > > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul > > On Feb 8, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Cory Keeler wrote: > >> I love talking about polarity. However what I see is that applying >> ethics is a matter of doing right or doing wrong. And any game is >> polarized, thus to have ethics in is to be good, and that makes it >> a game. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Cory, >>> >>> Freedom from games is to not have the intention that there will be >>> a win or a loss or both, a winner and a looser. Some will always >>> come to a conclusion of a win or a loss or both but you don't have >>> to. Some cannot see beyond having winners and loosers. One >>> should be content that things can happen and happen for the >>> better. In this way, Ethics can be applied without one having to >>> enter into games. The physical universe is a force universe but >>> it is not a necessity that it also be a two pole and have >>> polarizing effects. There can be best and almost as good as >>> best. We don't have to have the best and the worst. >>> >>> It's all subjective even when it is objective and purely >>> physical. What can you see? >>> >>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >>> >>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Cory Keeler wrote: >>>> >>>> Just curious you wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is up to each individual to be free of games and have their >>>>> Ethics in to avoid catching themselves up with out-Ethics and >>>>> having motivators. >>>> >>>> Is not having ethics in and being free of games impossible? >>>> Ethics involves games right? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140208/7cbe6461/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 115, Issue 33 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
