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Alberto,
The only measure of the effectiveness of a process, or what you are doing, is whether there is an improvement of case. In other words are making improvements in your case level? The main goal is to make progress. It matters not what process you are using. As long as you are making progress, you are doing ok. Regards, David > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:13:42 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 115, Issue 40 > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > I David my indication whas on runing RI on BE DO HAVE OR NOT BE DO > HAVE TO RUN OUT ALL IMPORTANCES! > > On LEVEL V i just run basic pakage to Know! > > At the end i am runing: Make not know to self, run out my > identification, so there is no self! > Like som, zero is and is not! As Is to the postulate chart! > Love! > > Quoting [email protected]: > > > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Alberto (David M. Pelly) > > 2. Re: Tone Arm and Responsibility ([email protected]) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 16:35:17 -0500 > > From: "David M. Pelly" <[email protected]> > > To: TROM List <[email protected]> > > Subject: [TROM1] Alberto > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > After I posted that I could not find any charge, a few days ago, > > > > I took a couple of days rest from processing, then felt the need > > to do more. > > > > > > > > > > I decided to process on must be, must do, must have and related stuff. > > > > I developed a whole run down on that. > > > > > > > > I found some charge, that was interestingly different than other charge. > > > > > > > > > > I think it was actually I who posted the idea of running "must be, > > must do and must have" sometime ago. > > > > > > I am glad to be of help. > > > > > > > > Similar to the know packages, everything we do falls under either > > of those categories. > > > > But I find the; be, do, have package, triggering incidents much > > better, much easier, and directly for me. > > > > It is a lower gradient. > > > > It has more clear direct (clear language) meaning for me. > > > > David > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140209/6d402fd9/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:53:41 -0800 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Tone Arm and Responsibility > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Is that even possible while being human? No games. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 01:13 PM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: > > > > ************* > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [1][email protected] > > > > ************ > > > > Hi Paul > > > > > > > > Thank you. Next stop is no games. > > > > > > > > Keep on TROMing > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > On Feb 9, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Paul Tipon <[2][email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [3][email protected] > > > > ************ > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > You are becoming the master of games, a step very far above that of a > > master game player. Indeed a master of the games themselves. > > > > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul > > > > > > On Feb 9, 2014, at 3:24 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Paul > > > > I am finding that even though I am at level 3 and still have some > > compulsive games going on I can encounter an other who wants to come at > > me with an opposition postulate to mine. But if I recognize this as a > > game I don't want to play I can change my postulate to a complementary > > postulate. When I do this the other fails to hold their opposition > > postulate and wanders away. > > > > Because of my understanding of games I can dissolve games conditions or > > changes the others interest in playing a game. > > > > > > > > Fun stuff. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Paul Tipon <[4][email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [5][email protected] > > > > ************ > > > > Hi Cory, > > > > Yes, your conclusion is correct but there are still three parts. If > > you are not into having a winner or a looser in an encounter with > > another or others, then there is no game by you. The other or others > > may not see it that way and are looking for a winner or a looser so it > > is a game for them. From an exterior view of an encounter, the > > encounter may be a game or not a game to all of those doing > > encountering. No conclusions can be taken until more actions have been > > taken and those actions are available to view. > > > > The one who has 'Freedom from Overwhelm' and 'Freedom from Games' can > > be thought of as a stranger in a strange land and be very alone. This > > is why Dennis says that you will be alone as you progress through TROM > > and the only way to avoid this is to also take someone with you. I > > forget if he makes that statement after Level 3 or 4. > > > > One may have his Ethics in and may not have a game within an encounter > > but the encounter is still the playing of a game and one or more of the > > encounterors may wind up exiting the encounter as neutral for they did > > not play the game to a win or a loose. They just participated and > > their underlying intention was for everyone to do well and not > > necessarily loose but not have to win. For those sticklers that have > > to have polarities, no matter what, it can be said that the encounter > > was a win-win situation. And again it can be said for a particular > > encounter as this, win-win, there is and was no game. > > > > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul > > > > On Feb 8, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Cory Keeler wrote: > > > > I love talking about polarity. However what I see is that applying > > ethics is a matter of doing right or doing wrong. And any game is > > polarized, thus to have ethics in is to be good, and that makes it a > > game. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Paul Tipon <[6][email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > The following message is relayed to you by [7][email protected] > > > > ************ > > > > Hi Cory, > > > > Freedom from games is to not have the intention that there will be a > > win or a loss or both, a winner and a looser. Some will always come to > > a conclusion of a win or a loss or both but you don't have to. Some > > cannot see beyond having winners and loosers. One should be content > > that things can happen and happen for the better. In this way, Ethics > > can be applied without one having to enter into games. The physical > > universe is a force universe but it is not a necessity that it also be > > a two pole and have polarizing effects. There can be best and almost > > as good as best. We don't have to have the best and the worst. > > > > It's all subjective even when it is objective and purely physical. > > What can you see? > > > > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul > > > > On Feb 8, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Cory Keeler wrote: > > > > > > > > Just curious you wrote: > > > > > > > > It is up to each individual to be free of games and have their Ethics > > in to avoid catching themselves up with out-Ethics and having > > motivators. > > > > > > > > Is not having ethics in and being free of games impossible? 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