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Hello Pete and Max,
Pete, Thank you. When you say "all the questions I am asking" is that regarding that specific post (human ape/evolution/homosexuality) or all my queries. Read it/Listen to it is good, but for a person without a Scientology background, can be very difficult. (I wen't through the majority of the archive, and 50% just went over my head) But that's fine, I can learn the lingo and ask questions specifically pertaining to "getting" trom material. I did however ask for peoples opinions today. Max, Thank you for the encouragement. I would say I am not from Scientology and found trom. But the word "normal" is quite debatable. ;-) Best, Jonah On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Animals Tromming Out of Here? (Jonah Seymour) > 2. Re: Human Ape? Evolution? Homosexuality? (Pete Mclaughlin) > 3. Immortality and Rapture (Jonah Seymour) > 4. Code of Ethics (Jonah Seymour) > 5. Teacher Plants (Jonah Seymour) > 6. a suggestion to all of your queries. (Paul Tipon) > 7. Jonah's questions ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:06:39 -0500 > From: Jonah Seymour <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TROM1] Animals Tromming Out of Here? > Message-ID: > < > cahlsbv_xzpufwp+t+hwspq--ezaj9py-525n6uzzqmswjsj...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dennis Mentions animals being better in the use of PD postulates. Are the > capable of escaping this universe? > > I guess I should ask the same about babies, children, and blind people > (can't see pt objects)... > > Thanks! > > Jonah. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140310/9c7409b2/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 23:07:53 -0700 > From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Human Ape? Evolution? Homosexuality? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Jonah > All the questions you are asking are answered in the supplemental > lectures. Go to tromhelp.com/books and at the bottom of that page > download the books as Microsoft Word files in the box labeled Createspace. > These are the books that are in the process of being edited for > publication as print copies and have been carefully error and spelling and > grammar checked. > > You will have to read them through several times to get a good working > knowledge of what Dennis accomplished in the creation of TROM. > > Keep on TROMing > Pete > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Jonah Seymour <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Hello everyone! > > > > Dennis mentions "walking this route" and "leaving this ape" and if you > wish to do so, you might as well intimately understand it, and not fight > it's inherited social/cultural/mating/eating habits. > > > > What are these inevitable habits I might as well not try to escape from > before "leaving this ape?" > > > > On another note, I remember Dennis mentioning evolution on a lecture > about homosexuality. I'm curious did Dennis believe in Darwinian evolution? > > > > Speaking of homosexuality, Dennis says it's abberative, I'm curious of > 2014 trommers opinion on the matter, as I have that tendency. And can > easily seeing it be an abberation, or perhaps all charge associated is due > to programming from my religious upbringing. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Jonah > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:15:54 -0500 > From: Jonah Seymour <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TROM1] Immortality and Rapture > Message-ID: > < > cahlsbv--yr6-gdgvz-8eufej4zpzwzf0f4bwe_ijdautt6o...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dennis mentions the theoretical possibility of getting a body the point of > living forever. > > Anyone beautifully audacious enough to say they are anticipating this? > Anyone contemplating the possibility for themselves? > > Any stories of physical healing via the use of postulates? > > Any testimonies or recommendation regarding diet and lifestyle choices > alongside trom? > > And Slim, I believe you mentioned something about Dennis physically > disappearing? Tell me more! > ;-) > > Is this the end result of trom? > > "If games cease, space and time ceases" > > ;-) > > Jonah > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140310/0a074ea3/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:35:05 -0500 > From: Jonah Seymour <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TROM1] Code of Ethics > Message-ID: > < > cahlsbv9hlxtqfq_gmzw0w9dujkdxaftdmpatavgslqu9ik0...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Could someone help me understand the general code of ethics so I have a > general rule to follow before I complete level 5? > > Gossip: Telling someone something about a person they would not like you to > say. That is forcing a person to make a thing known, right? Or is that just > letting someone know something? As the person is not being made to make it > known against there will. > > Hunting and meat eating: Is this preventing a person from being known? > > What if I am unaware of the persons desire ahead of time. Like I make > something known someone wished they didn't hear. I didn't know they didn't > want to hear, but lets say I thought they might, would that still be a > violation of the code? > > If I were to move out, I'm not violating my parents freedom of choice, but > it would overwhelm them. Am I responsible? Would that be preventing from > knowing? > > For the record, my desire to move out is not to live life, it's to get away > from living life and focusing on getting clear. > > Interestingly enough, I unconsciously gave examples of all 4 laws. > > Another question: I remember a man referencing some O'spare guy, claiming > that Dennis was lying when He said a level 5 graduate will automatically > follow this code. Could a level 5er comment? > > Thanks! > > Jonah > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140310/adf73a98/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:40:38 -0500 > From: Jonah Seymour <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TROM1] Teacher Plants > Message-ID: > < > cahlsbv8p3khxfts47uqnvswcytzhyht222rwzobaeisasl2...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I know TROM is told to not be done with any drugs, but I don't necessarily > consider entheogenic substances used by indigenous peoples in a safe > context as a drug per say. > > A man on the list a while back mentioned being able to fully clear a person > with Ayahuasca. Any truth to this? Anyone have any experiences with mixing > trom with psychoactive subtances? I will independently email that man, as > I'm assuming he is no longer active. I might as well on the O'spare query > as well. > > Jonah > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140310/bc416d55/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 23:45:31 -0700 > From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], Jonah Seymour <[email protected]> > Subject: [TROM1] a suggestion to all of your queries. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Jonah, > > You ask for a lot all at once. Answering all of your questions and > putting them to text has typically taken many a life time or such. > Likewise it would take one many years of reading and study to read, > assimilate, learn and become a practitioner of all that you ask. > Many if not most on this trek to enlightenment never arrive and it is > not due to the fact that there was no one to answer one's questions > or no one there to demonstrate a truth or an ability. You have named > several in your questioning posts. > > The real obstacle to one's enlightenment is to apply a technology > that works, stick to it and be able to have a open mind. There are > now and will be many instances in the future where you will happen > upon a truth all by yourself and be unable to accept it. It is a > matter of being purely scientific in one's approach, having the > willingness and ability to change one's mind, this being the real > crux of the difficulty, overcoming one's beliefs, faiths, biases and > prejudices. > > So your really important factor needs to be your desire, dedication > and application of a technique that will truly avail you of the > ability to escape the compulsive activities of your own mind. > > TROM may or not be the technology for you but it can work and it can > be done by oneself. I can attest to the fact that it is an able > technology. I can also attest to the fact that one can produce > activities that will even astound the source of those activities but > those are only my stories and my experiences. You need to get on the > path to enlightenment and find your own future, stories and history, > your own enlightenment. Everyone's is different. No one is a > duplicate of another being whether body or soul. I invite you to > your own personal adventure of finding enlightenment about yourself > and of all existence in its various and infinite forms. > > Paul > > ps: If your interest is really in remote viewing and OBE, I can > suggest sources for that. But, those sources have absolutely no > technology to escape the chains and compulsive control of your own mind. > > I will answer some of your questions as I go along to them. > Currently I am re-reading "Cosmic History" which Pete McLaughlin has > posted and responding there where I feel I can be of help in one's > understanding of what has been happening through the ages of > existence. Consider this, we all came from somewhere, have arrived > from somewhere. Do you know when, where or how the somewhere is? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:15:25 +0100 (CET) > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [TROM1] Jonah's questions > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello All, > > It's great to see somebody who is (like me) not from Scientology, but a > normal person who has found TROM -? Jonah Seymour. He poses some simple but > effective questions. And I second his questions, because I'm also > interested > in the answers: > > > > 1. "I'm curious as to whether anyone can attest to witnessing or allow me > to > witness proof of TROM's described abilities. > Has anyone seen person know something there would be no "normal" means of > knowing? > Anyone want to demonstrate it to me? I can give you my address and you > remote view what colour of shirt I'm wearing." > > Although I'd mention that if someone agress to do this, Jonah should be > wearing the same shirt for a few days due to the delays in answers. Also, > it's better to describe the shirt in more detail (i.e., what pictures/words > are on it) to avoid coincidental right answers. > > > > 2. "I would be interested to hear from anyone who's completed level 4 and > beyond." > > > > 3. "What's at the end? > Dennis gives explicit detail of the extent of abilities to be gained for > completion of level 3. > I have found nothing on level 5. Other than "be sure you want God like > abilities", "There's no going back", and "when games cease, space and time > cease." > What does this imply? > I'd be interested to hear anyone's opinion, especially those working in the > higher levels. :-) > Has anyone completed level 5? > And what is level 6? [There isn't one, Jonah, read the manual] > And what's life like after them? :-)" > > > > 4. "What about Jesus? Lester Levenson? Ramana Maharshi? Nisargadatta? > Enoch? > And others? > Did these guys access a lesser state? Are they still in this universe > playing "higher vibratory games?"" > > > > Waiting for answers to Jonah's questions. > > Cheers > Max > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140310/7cf85844/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 28 > ************************************* >
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