************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************
Hi Dru Thanks for the link to UCP. Just reading through it shows it to be another approach to getting the person into present time by examining anything that is not in present time and letting go of those influences.
In my experience all workable mind healing practices do this. They are different in their method but similar in their goal. It is up to you to determine which works best for you. The advantage of TROM over any other practice I have found so far is the postulate failure chart at levels 4 and 5 where Dennis proves in the Logical Note section of the manual that this technique will bring into present time ALL the conflicts you have ever had one at a time so you can timebreak them and remove their ability to influence you now. No other therapy can do this. The books are available from www.tromhelp.com/books to you can purchase the latest editions at Amazon.com in kindle format http://www.amazon.com/Dennis-Stephens/e/B00H4C0RS2/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1386610551&sr=1-2-ent In a week or two the paperback versions will be available on Amazon.com also. Sincerely Pete Sent from my iPad > On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:56 AM, lotus-rising <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > Thanks for your mail. > > What you say about LRH I have also concluded, there is so much to sift > through and then there are so many forms of interpretation of the tech. When > I came across TROM I understood what Dennis was talking about immediately. > And I could absorb it and know what was needed to follow to get the result. I > agree that scientology is flawed in that sense, it promises a lot, but like > other things I have studied including Buddhism, Christianity, and A Course In > Miracles they all have something not quite right about them. ACIM is a road > to confusion I would say, having used it when I was holding on to my sanity > it seemed a cure foe the suffering of my mind. But as you stabilise you start > to see that it's an unworkable system. > > I recall the first thing that got my attention with LRH and when I met a > scientologist was the Being and the power one had, and how we had become > degraded of our beauty and splender through games playing. I knew that when I > read it. I always knew the world was a weird and conflicting place, from a > child in knew much of what I was told and made to believe was BS! I studied > ACIM as I didn't ant to confront my own responsibility fully, so having God > or Jesus to shift things too was a good game for me, along with millions of > others. I know want that responsibility and I want to know the way out so I > can make my own choices, not have them made for me. When I came across how > scientology uses clay to work with people to understand, this really clicked > for me. It unlocked a whole universe that I am only now starting to build and > explore. I have spent 15 years learning reiki, shamanism, other healing > systems, I am also an interfaith minister and all this made very little long > lasting difference to my life. I was up and down like a yo yo. I came across > scientology four years ago, and was fortunate to have access to a former > staff member for a year and I absorbed what I could and questioned > everything. I see now, that without that time I would maybe still be > stumbling around, blaming everything else for my life. I'm no expert on > scientology, and I agree that it's a vast subject, but I have taken enough to > keep ow when I saw TROM ah ha this is what I've been looking for. > > I ask about the other courses as I am dyslexic, and know that there are > programs that LRH devised 4G help with other areas of life. So thanks for > your reply on that. I would love to see a church of TROM😊, maybe some online > site where like minded people could communicate fully and get this work the > profile it deserves, but I also believe that those who want the truth will > find it. TROM is not that know, yet I found it without looking intentionally > for it. > > I wanted to run this past you, that I found last night. Konchok Penday has > something called UCP, it's very similar to TROM. I find the practice easier > than the time breaking of TROM. I struggle a bit with taking people of the > past and putting them into PT with an object. I tried the UCP and it worked > great. Step 1 & 2 are like the RI, and step 3 & 4 would be the time > breaking. Can this be used in place of the time breaking of TROM as an > adjustment? > > This is the link > http://www.universalconsciouspractice.bravepages.com/N-LIGHTENMENT%20NOW!.htm > > I'm not sure that I have the full information of TROM. You say there are six > books, I have only one, that is the pdf! > > Best wishes > Dru > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]> > Date:06/10/2014 21:23 (GMT+00:00) > To: Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM > > Hi Dru > Dennis states that all of Scientology can be explained and understood by > studying TROM but that much of TROM cannot be understood using Scientology > principles. > > I have found this to be true. > > Also LRH uses 25 million words to teach Scientology. It takes years to wade > through all the material so as to understand and apply Scientology, while all > of TROM is fully covered in 6 books with the book 06 the TROM Therapy manual > being a summary of the practical so just a repeat of the practical aspects of > the first 6 books. > > The beauty of TROM is it consists of two processes, Repair of Importance and > Timebreaking. Levels 2, 3, 4 and 5 are just different ways to find stuff to > Process by timebreaking. Scientology has many many process as you can see by > their Bridge or Grade Levels chart. > > Feel free to study anything that interests you on the subject of the mind and > healing. There is no Church of TROM to say you can't. I gave up on > Scientology because it was to complicated and never says "At this point you > have handled the mind." TROM says that at the end of level 5 you have handled > everything. > > Sincerely > Pete > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 6, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> I wanted to ask you about something after I read what Coleen sent out about >> non scientologists. I wouldn't call myself one as I have not gone through >> the processes and training to be one. I read some of LRH'S work, and >> although I found some of it interesting I certainly would not say it was a >> complete way, but there is a kind of map that has clues, and it's down to >> each one of us to continue the work. From what Coleen has written I am >> assuming that , out are former COS? I know that Dennis served until >> retirement, but I am not clear how TROM compares with Scientology. I read >> that scientology could be in TROM, but TROM was not in scientology? >> >> I have looked at the volunteer ministers course online that I started, then >> read something negative and stopped. I am not clear if thee is anything >> there that would go with TROM, or I was correct to walk away from it. I >> would appreciate any clarification on this confusion I seem to be in. >> >> Regards >> Dru >> >> Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:41:39 -0700 >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Dru >> In 06 the TROM Therapy Manual I put the ohm meter reading for the TA >> settings of 1 through 6.5. These are in the section titled The E-Meter. >> Clear TA for a male is 3.0 or 12,500 ohms a female is TA 2.0 or 5000 ohms. >> While an e-meter is needed for reading needle movements a cheap ohm meter is >> sufficient to take TA readings. >> >> The Amazon.com site will list both the hard copy and kindle versions as >> options for purchase for each title. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 1, 2014, at 8:18 AM, lotus-rising <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> Thanks for your reply. I was asking in case there was a problem with the >> RI, I am okay running these currently, but thanks for the information if >> needed. >> I am not clear about what TA at level 2 and 3 are? >> >> Thank you for explaining about the love relationships. Our main game was >> sex, it's what made us feel closest to each other. But the other games we >> played were not the highest and that's where it went askew, both coming >> from dysfunctional families, there was too much in the bank to contend with. >> I learned a lot about relationships, and she was a good mirror for me to >> take full responsibility for my games condition. >> >> Okay that's great news about the book. Is the hard copy available on amazon >> too? You are the publisher of this. I think it only fair that you get the >> money as you are doing the work. >> >> Warm wishes >> Dru >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung tablet >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]> >> Date:01/10/2014 15:51 (GMT+00:00) >> To: Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM >> >> Hi Dru >> >> If you are struggling with creative RI you may need to do some physical RI. >> The rub stretch and yawn approach works for me. The end phenomena of RI is >> a TA at 2.0 for a female or 3.0 for a male and feeling happy and fully in >> the present moment. >> >> Love is co creating reality with another. Conversations about subjects of >> mutual interest while establishing what you agree on concerning that subject >> is a loving activity. Playing games you both enjoy for fun is a loving >> activity. Sex can be a game played for mutual enjoyment but it is only one >> activity for lovers to engage in. There are many others that will build a >> loving relationship. >> >> The kindle books are currently available at Amazon.com and the hard copy >> books will be available in a couple of weeks. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 1, 2014, at 3:43 AM, Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> I am following up to check that you received my email below? >> >> Regards >> Dru >> >> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:57:51 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> OKay thanks for that advice. By this you mean I am able to create an >> importance, but it's just flat? Do I understand correctly, that if you are >> struggling you need to continue with them? >> >> Yes I got that about level two. I have only run two sessions but already >> feel that the charge has lessened with the ex partner. I read something >> yesterday by a man who said that love is not enough, that's why it's called >> a relationship, not a love ship, if you can't relate this partnership will >> sink. I think this ties in with the reality part of the ARC that Ron spoke >> about. I found that this made sense to me. I can love her, but i am not >> compelled to, having studied ACIM, this is called the sane choice, or the >> right mind. Without all the compulsions, the Being is love, but compulsion >> clouds that, I will never live with her or have her in my life physically, >> and this actually stops the compulsive thoughts. Of course i will continue >> untill is nulled. I can be at peace with that. Trying to hold the two views >> was tiring. I just got a pendulum and I was asking questions, it read that >> I will never see her again in this life, and she still loved me and thought >> of me. She always said she wanted me in her life, but I demanded it was as >> lovers or nothing. I see that was my compulsive state of games. >> >> The kindle sounds great. Will you be making a hard copy? I know it's cheaper >> and easier to make downloads, but there is something about having a physical >> copy you can touch, technology is great, but I still like a real book. >> >> Okay thank you for the that about the levels, five years is not that long. I >> knew a guy that studied ACIM for five years and he said he was more confused >> then when he started. I would imagine it's very individual too, how deep >> your game playing is and how willing you are to enter and confront it? >> >> Thanks for your guidance, >> >> KeepTroming >> >> Dru >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung tablet >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]> >> Date:26/09/2014 16:24 (GMT+00:00) >> To: Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM >> >> Hi Dru >> You are doing excellently. The time you spend per day is whatever is >> comfortable for you. RI is a creative process so can be run as much as you >> like. As long as it is interesting and producing changes it still needs to >> be run. When it gets boring your need for importance is satisfied and you >> can end off for a while. >> >> Things getting foggy is definitely a change so you have more to do on level >> 2 persons. >> >> I have set up the Amazon account to sell the kindle version of the books. In >> a week or two the print version will be listed with the kindle version. >> Proceeds from these sales will go to maintaining the TROMhelp.com website. >> So I hope everyone will buy lots of books. >> In the meantime I am fascinated by this subject so am happy to do the work >> of putting it up where everyone can find it. >> >> Having worked on TROM for 5 years now I can tell you that it will take >> multiple re- reads of the books before you are familiar enough with the >> details of level 5 in order to understand it. However, you do not need to >> understand level 5 in order to do RI or differences and similarities or even >> timebreaking. Keep doing the auditing and read the books several times >> through so that by the time you get to levels 4 and 5 you will understand >> them and be able to apply the understanding to auditing level 4 and 5. >> >> Keep on TROMing >> Pete >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> I am running through level 2, and am finding the RI's very enjoyable. >> I wanted to check the time factor though, running the RI's at the start and >> finish the session is running between 90-120 minutes. >> I saw that others are spending an hour a day on their sessions! >> I am able to do the first part of level two, but when the person comes in, >> things get a bit foggy and other images start to bleed into the event. >> I'm assuming this is normal as the compulsion is still strong? >> >> Regards >> Dru >> >> P.s I read that you run the site at your own expense, I wanted to thank you >> for doing this, as I find the site very helpful and I use the mp3 for the >> commands, I really like TROM, I'm not sure that I fully understand it, but >> understand enough to do it. >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:38:24 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> Okay thanks, I will continue! >> >> Regards >> Dru >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung tablet >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Pete Mclaughlin >> Date:18/09/2014 08:18 (GMT+00:00) >> To: Dru Galbraith >> Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM >> >> Hi Dru >> From your statements you are still getting change by working this issue so >> continue. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> Thank you for the clarification. >> >> I have another personal question, I'm not clear how I send questions to the >> community, so that's why I'm directing my communications to you! I am happy >> for this to be shared with the community! >> Something I have been experiencing is thoughts of a previous partner. The >> relationship was intense, and ended in quite a messy way, she has since got >> married, so the chapter is over, I have been out with another woman since >> too. What is curious is that she was on my mind quite strongly, then I met >> this other girl, and this seemed to vanish her from my mind. When I ended >> the second relationship, the first woman would start to be on my mind. >> Having read TROM it seems that this is due to some kind of compulsive game, >> as changing the body only worked temporarily. I recently had a sexual dream >> of the first woman, but the thoughts seem to oscillate between affinity and >> anger and blame. When I ran level 2 I touched great anger toward her. When >> I saw her Facebook profile yesterday, I had a charge, but later I was able >> to be okay and be glad she had found happiness. The relationship is over,but >> I'm not sure why I dream and think of her? I am working with the level and >> am using a lot of RI with it, but wondered if you have any thoughts on this >> that that I may be missing? >> >> Kind wishes >> Dru >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Level 2 TROM >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:44:07 -0700 >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Dru >> >> Level two part 1 is to find a scene in your past and pick an object in that >> scene and compare that object to an object that you can see in present time. >> Part 2 is to find a past scene and select a person in that past scene and >> compare that person to a person or object that you can see in present time. >> >> The exercise is to bring the past object or person into present time. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:42 AM, Dru Galbraith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> I have a quick question, I have run through the RI's several times and after >> having charge on the first run through which included burning at the back of >> my neck and down my spine, the ones after have been really good and I have >> enjoyed doing them. I have now started to run run level 2 of TROM, in the >> second part which is used on people from your past, am I still taking an >> object from the scene and bringing it into PT? I understand that by working >> with the objects it breaks up the charge with the person, is that correct? >> >> Best wishes >> Dru >> >> > Subject: Welcome to TROM >> > From: [email protected] >> > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:56:00 -0700 >> > To: [email protected] >> > >> > Hi >> > Initially you will have supervised email on this list. If you will email a >> > short introduction stating what brought you to TROM I will give you >> > unrestricted access to mail to the list. >> > >> > There is an archive of past posts at >> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom. It would be good to look >> > through these old emails as many interesting questions have been discussed >> > in the past. >> > >> > The web site www.tromhelp.com has all of the books, recordings and now the >> > Repair of Importance processes that you can download for free to start >> > doing TROM immediately. All materials on that site are in the public >> > domain or available with the authors permission. >> > >> > The TROM books are now available at Amazon with this web address >> > http://www.amazon.com/Dennis-Stephens/e/B00H4C0RS2/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1 >> > >> > Be sure to ask questions. There are many talented people on the mailing >> > list who will respond if someone asks a question. >> > >> > Keep on TROMing >> > >> > Pete mclaughlin >> > List moderator >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPad
_______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
