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Dear Antony and Pete, and All subscribers,
Thank you for your answers! I think it's a good moment to add the whole list as a recipient :). And It seems that Judith is no longer available via her email... Antony, I want to clarify what I meant :) What a typical question is? For instance: 1Q: Would you like some coffee? (simple question) 1A: Yes|No. (simple answer) 2Q: How do you want to sip your coffee? (not so simple) 2A: Well, usually I'm sipping coffee at my kitchen with a fresh newspaper, but your couch is good enough. (not so simple) So I consider a question as a something that causes another person to produce some response (words or even a question mark '?' is not obligatory - you can ask someone with your mimics). Hence my whole message was a complicated question and you have provided the very precise answer to my question. You know, the old saying that the good question contains at least 50% of the answer itself :). Thus your answer is really worth for me and I really appreciate that! Pete, Yes, RI works for me - the creative one, starting again at Level 2... but all these questions and answers about 'which level you at' - is a game, isn't it? :) Regarding the evil that you told about - it's mentioned as The Code of Ethical being in the write-up :) and you just wrote that in short. But as an engineer I can't leave it as it is - because if one doesn't want something - it's only one's desire, that's it. So we could provide some 'information' (Troy Horse) to them and because they are at compulsive games condition - they will put the information into play, then within their mind they will overwhelm themselves, and then they will become into a condition where they want that 'something' what they didn't want before... We are not overwhelming them, we are not pushing them, we are not forcing them... we just give them some 'information', and they do 'the job' themselves... after some time we come to them and get them in a state which we needed. Thus steps are: 1. One doesn't want "something" 2. One voluntary receives 'information' 2. Then the one comes into state to want that "something" 3. It all done without us forcing them - so it's not evil, and it is Ethical :) Where I'm wrong? ;) And such an 'information' is easier to give in writing - cause you have time to think what to say, in what order, and what not to say, it's obviously harder when you speak :) One very good example is the Allen Carr's book - 'The easy way to give up smoking' where he, consciously or unconsciously, is using the same (or similar) tech 'unraveling the knot of smoking'. It's based on the principle that many of people came into smoking more or less the same way, so Allen works from 1A to 8B of the postulate failure chart to resolve that subject :) (remember that time goes from 8B to 1A) He is getting the job done by creating images in the people's head with explanations, in other words, he wrote his book and sentences in order so every who read them they imagine that scene in their minds, and continue reading, and imagine the next scene, and so forth. This is the exact realization of going through the failure postulate chart regarding the subject 'to be healthy' (to smoke is not erasable). So TROM showed me how it works and why it works :) Bottom line: 1. Ones who need auditing and understand that - they'll go to an auditor 2. Ones who understands that they need mental healing and able to work solo - they'll use TROM 3. Ones who believes that they are sane, and all is good in their lives, and they don't need any mental influence (impact) - they are our clients (the ones who one way or another want to play compulsive games) :) Do you remember: "Freedom is the only thing because of which one will voluntary put oneself into slavery" "Voluntary slaves will never give up their slavery if they certain that it is the road to freedom" "The mind is full of convincing reasons why to not make a postulate" "The easiest way to confuse one is to cross packages" "If you point your finger at something it tends to become more solid and persistent" What about English-Russian translation - the one that I've read was translated by a Ukrainian guy, and he did a lot of job, and he did it fairly well, but it is still worse than original because there are too many words in Russian that came from other languages, and through the time and space they have changed their meanings. Another problem is in education of the majority of people here - even ones who has higher education do not comprehend terms as they really are, using instead first heard definition at a preschool, or they too arrogant to take a dictionary and look out what the word really means. What about me - here is an endless loop: to make good translation -> need to have more practice in English for better understanding -> need to spend more money because I have to pay for lessons -> need to work more to have more money -> need to have more time in a day to work more (but it's impossible - it's only 24h in a day) -> it lessens time I have for practice English -> it lessens time and my ability to make a good translation -> loop has closed... you see a compulsiveness in the whole chain :))) About subscribers and amounts: What I saw about TROM I can divide into these groups: 1. One hears something that this is a thing about mind and for them it is a deadly dread, like a plague, so they run away immediately 2. One reads first two pages and says - it's a rave of an insane and I can't read it anymore :) 3. One is not so well educated|intelligent (redneck) so it's hard to understand for them, especially all this 'terms', hence they abandon it 4. One reads and fully understands the subject - which states that you don't have to have anyone to work with and you able to work solo, and the tech makes magic for them, and they don't even think about going out and looking out there for another TROMers, or whoever they are :) 5. One reads and interested in tech but can't use it fully or properly, but they are still too shy, especially when the tech insists that they have to work solo - so they are struggling to use the tech, and perhaps some day they put aside the tech for a day, only then they get an opportunity to remember about compulsiveness and about collaboration, and perhaps, before work solo they have to find somebody to clarify some 'terms and conditions'. As I see only the 5th group and those who completed Level 5 completely (must be known) could be in such a mailing list, that's why there aren't so many. Because if the tech had stated that you better collaborate, the mailing list would have been fulfilled with 100k+ subscribers :) As statistics on different lists shows - only 1% stay active through a long period of time, so here it's also true :) 1% - equals 1.8 people which equals Pete, Antony and someone else from time to time :) P.S. Since I assume that to print the book costs the same as a hard-copy from Amazon - could I ask you how many have been sold? Kind regards, Sergei Akshentsev On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Pete Mclaughlin < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sergei > > Welcome to TROM. > > Excellent, you have discovered that you are playing games and some of them > compulsively. > > Are you running RI and what level of TROM are you working on? > > Evil is defined as > forcing something on another they do not want > taking something from another they are not willing to give > > The Church of Scientology has ruined the delivery of Scientology Tech by > their aggressive marketing and alteration of the tech. But that is their > problem and has nothing to do with TROM. > > Can you do a better job of translating TROM into Russian language? > > When people first get into TROM they talk about it a lot but after they > understand the tech they just use it and cease talking about it. You can > see this in the long quiet periods on the list. If you need to know > something just ask a question to the list and someone will answer. > > The best practice with TROM is to read and re-read the books multiple > times. In between reading the books do the processes. There are youtube > videos of running RI that will help you. These are put up by "Yawnguy" and > the first is at this address http://youtu.be/CUGCXzY74aI > > Keep on TROMing > Pete > List Moderator > > > Sent from my iPad > from: Ant Phillips <[email protected]> Dear Sergei, First I would congratulate you on learning English from Russian. I came to Denmark 45 years ago from England and had a hard time learning Danish from English (at a certain early point I got overconfident and tried to learn Russian only to find out that they did not have course book in Danish, so I had to use one in Swedish with English Swedish dictionary! Anyway congratulations on learning English. Interesting that you have been threatened about Scientology. I had understood that Scientology is thriving in Russia as opposed to Europe. Perhaps as the independent version I'm thinking of and I haven't followed it closely. I came across TROM years after I came into Scientology and considered it badly written. In fact I wondered how anybody could understand it if they didn't have a background in Scientology, which seemed to be where Dennis was writing from. However it seemed the people were getting results from it and were pleased about it which is the reason why I kept the list going for some years I like people to get benefit. I also saw something very sensible in time breaking and RI seemed a good idea. I think there are 180 addresses on the TROM list. That seems to me quite a lot. In the days that I ran lists and some of them were very lively, I never got up to more than about 70. Of course the activity on the list at the moment is very low and that's maybe where you get the idea that there are not many on the list. It is possible for you to check how many are on the list and see the addresses of most of the people. You talk about compulsive games conditions which is not the way I look at life, as I would tend to regard the things you mentioned there as aberrations, or more generally speaking, and in the terms I use nowadays in auditing people, they are "unwanted conditions", which I usually handle directly. Actually I don't see that you have a question, so what you find here is not really any answer but a few comments on what you have written. I suggest you write a question to the list. I am running a sort of campaign to liven up the list again and a question from you, sent to the whole list, will help me. All best wishes, Antony. > > > On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Sergei Akshentsev <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Pete, Antony, Judith and Ming, > > Sorry for bothering you and hope you are all well! > > My name is Sergei Akshentsev and I live in Moscow, Russia. I write to you > not just to be acquainted with but to talk to wiser people and chose you on > purpose. > > Judith - not only because of her auditing background but who knew Dennis > closely than others. > Antony - mostly as former Scientologist (certified) and who did a lot in > his life and observed the results of his doings. > Ming - as a neuro-linguistic programmer and an active researcher into > other mental (mind) fields. > Pete - as a hardworking man with a fresh mind :) > > Here is my story: Since childhood we have been threatened about > Scientology, it was told to us that they are evil, they are able to > convince you in anything they want to, so they are going to steal your soul > and make you their slave forever... > And I saw some, as I thought, evidence - some very intelligent guys mixed > Scientology and other religious and other techniques to convince confiding > people to give them all their money, saying "the money" is the only evil > and all the problems because of money they owned... but it was clearly > fraud and they're ended up imprisoned. > > First time I came across TROM two years ago and it was a not very good > translation into Russian, because we have the same words but with a really > different meaning. Thus it was hard to understand but I managed to :). > Since then I relieved some parts of my mind with the technology but > decided to put aside the technology and stay at a compulsive games > condition with at least one subject - called 'to study English very hard in > order to use raw English materials in therapy'. So it has given me "a hard > punch" for the last two years and now I am able to continue :) > > Now in Scientology I see all this certificates, passports, paid courses, > etc., so I assume that the majority of auditors just pawns in a game making > some mystery and perhaps money to their masters... sorry... or at least > they are just another type of psychotherapists with a technology amongst > the others and nothing greater. > > Then I figured out that there are not so many people on the mailing list > of TROM, so I asked myself - perhaps it is sort of working stuff, because > it seems to me that such a mailing list is against the idea (the > philosophy) of TROM? > > To bring the full picture of me and why I write to you I ought to mention > my compulsive game conditions (at least I think they are): > about using the technology (the theory of TROM) to make money (become > wealthier) > about convincing (enforcing, compelling) people to do what I want (kind of > same sort as previous) > about being fit, or even be a bodybuilder (to meet my desires) > about sex (no comments ;)) > about working full time 9-5 (I want to have more free time to do things > that I desire to do) > about my kid will be struggling in his life (I don't think that he should > spend the same time that I spent before I understand that) > about immigration to Australia (why not? :) I'm still not sure if it > easier or harder to make living there...) > > I believe that you have something that will be worth to say to me, even if > it hard to understand or very unpleasant. But I'm still slightly insisting > on hearing that.... Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely yours, > Sergei Akshentsev > >
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