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It's awesome feedback re RI. I can relate to Pete's feedback re RI.
For the record, for posterity sake: I generally like to stick with one item and repeatedly put it around me until the mind runs out of create or dredging up old scenes re that item. For example, I recently did an RI of me in a tent in the middle of a watermelon patch and I kept putting that same scene all around me until the mind finished trying to change that scene in any way. Finally, the mind went dead still and things in the room looked brighter and more "there". Then I do the same for "another". You can see how that required some "command power" over the mind - to keep putting the same scene up repeatedly until the mind finally quit trying to change it in any way. For example, my mind wanted to add a laptop to the scene, and other things too and I kept putting the original scene around me after each change up and finally the mind ran out of things to do with that scene and I could put that original scene up without any change occurring. As a side note, I initially tried putting some watermelon around me but not much change was occurring so I increased the "importance"; though I'm not saying to do that, but I do want some change to occur during the RI exercise. I usually yawn a lot which is a good sign for me (change occurring). Great to hear others are actually doing Trom in a way that I can relate. colleen On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send TROM mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Case Update (The Resolution of Mind list) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:05:26 -0800 > From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Case Update > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Marcus > TROM is most useful right now that you recognize it's usefulness and > have time to apply it. > > I started out with the same struggle to juggle symptoms of restimulation > and overrun that you mention. After many hours of RI and Timebreaking both > became simple. The objective of both therapies is for me to get my > attention in present time. It is like my attention is a flashlight and I > can point it to an indecent in the past that still upsets me or I can point > it at objects in the room with me which is the present. > > I run RI till all those distracting past objects fade away and I am just > looking at the stuff I am creating now. I run an incident from the past > and timebreak it till I am not interested in it anymore and my attention is > in present time noticing the room around me or the chair I am sitting on or > the bright sunny day outside my window starts looking more interesting that > the dusty old incidents in my mind. > > For me this noticing where my attention is focused is the simplest method > of confirming the end of process point. > > Keep on TROMing > Pete McLaughlin > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 18, 2016, at 2:01 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Hi Pete, > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > Changes > > > > When I was more beginner I used to time processes in order to get an > idea of what type of things would happen. The running of each step would be > around 15-20 minutes. I would never be sure if a tingle in my knee was a > change or just a random tingle, or if a desire to stretch was a change or > just due to being in the same position for 20 minutes. > > > > Then I kept doing things in a more regular schedule and some patterns > started to arise and I started taking them for use, as reference points, > during the drills. But I'm not sure how accurate they were in the first > place. With RI the changes were usually more reliable like yawns, warm > waves running through the body, electrical sensations, watery eyes, > etc.would almost always happen. But during level 2 they were more elusive, > like a memory change or a cognition once in while. And sooner or later that > overrun symptom would happen: continuing would become harder, I would > suddenly have to recreate the object in order to continue the comparisons. > > > > The headache - I think the headache could be due to doing the exercises > lying down for too long with the pillow folded under my head. It wasn't > very common actually. But since I'm redoing my scenes I think I should > eventually meet with it again and deal with it if needed. > > > > Would you mind sharing how you started figuring things out as a beginner > on level 2? Like telling how was a typical run of level 2 for you. > > > > The chinese Proverb > > > > Yes. I agree with your commentary. I would also say that the mechanism > of cross packaging and the service effect turn things even more difficult > to discern. It would be much more useful if available a couple trillion > years ago. Maybe... > > > > Marcus > > > > > > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:19:18 -0800 > > From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Case Update > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hi Marcus > > Good to hear from you again. > > You have made a good observation that a two flow process must be > repeated until there is no new material appearing on both flows for 15 > minutes of running. So run flow A till no more change for 15 minutes of > running then run flow B till no more change for 15 minutes of running then > run A again and repeat A and B until you get no change on either with 15 > minutes of running. > > > > I am concerned that you get a headache after running a process. This is > a change and needs to be run out. Do test for overrun but if you are not > sure it is overrun do some RI, then continue the process. The "getting > hard to run" sounds like an end point has been overrun so I would move on > the the next flow or process you planed to run. > > > > Interesting Chinese proverb. But since we came into this universe to > play games where there are no rules beyond the To Know goals and with no > time limit to the game it might be difficult to apply. > > > > Keep on TROMing > > > > Pete McLaughlin > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:59 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > ************* > > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > > ************ > > > Hello! > > > > > > Nice to hear from you all and from the new trommer. > > > > > > Last year I was on a good disciplined schedule doing level 2 but I had > a small stress crisis with PT issues and I was only being able to do RI > during that time. I also detected a major mistake skipping the repeat part > in Level 2 (I thought I had to do differences until no change then > similarities until no change and that would be it; I didn't go back to > check if more changes were still available). After these two hindrances I > engaged in some 'fun' activities and lost some of my speed. I'm currently > trying to recover my pace again. Level 2 is running somewhat slower and I'm > trying to disengage from the fun activities. > > > > > > One thing I didn't reported back from my case is about the "no more > change" point. Apparently it evolves as you make progress. In the beginning > my guide would be the calmness of mind that I'd achieve during RI - I > didn't have any other 'clear' reference point. Then, after I got better and > my mind was pretty calm in general the "no more change" point was either a > small headache or the drill would suddenly become hard to continue. The > latter is similar to one of The Pilot's description of end phenomena for > some types of exercise. And this is the best description I can give so far. > > > > > > Interesting chinese proverb I've stumbled upon last month: > > > > > > "If you must play, decide on three things at the start: the rules of > the game, the stakes and the quitting time." > > > > > > Marcus > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TROM mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TROM mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > > End of TROM Digest, Vol 135, Issue 10 > > ************************************* > > > > > > > > -- > > Marcus Franchi > > _______________________________________________ > > TROM mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20160118/71aafc98/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of TROM Digest, Vol 135, Issue 12 > ************************************* >
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