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I appreciated reading your experience. I appreciated your honesty, your as-ising things. I can related to much of what you said and experienced. I am very much interested in doing some co auditing with TROM. email me at david.pelly at gmail.com David On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:19 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < [email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Robin, Colleen and anyone else reading, > > This is an interesting discussion on 'outcreate'. The word seems to have > been invented by LRH, and the earliest mention I can find is in PAB 85, THE > PARTS OF MAN (later published in the Fundamentals of Thought) > > "If a thetan can suffer from anything, it is being out-created (created > against too > thoroughly). The manifestations of being out-created would be the > destruction of his > own creations and the overpowering presence of other creations. Thus a > thetan can be > brought to believe that he is trapped if he is out-created." > > This aligns with LRH's ideas about games as contests in overwhelming, and > as creation versus counter creation. He goes on to say "There is no effort > in Scientology to out-create each and every thetan that comes along." > > I'd agree that attempting to handle others by outcreating them is a games > condition, and is likely to end in tears. > > David > > > On 14/03/2016 6:34 pm, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Colleen, >> >> I'm not sure if your question is directed at me, but will try >> to answer it anyway. >> >> First of all, it is not important _what I mean_ by "outcreate". >> I'm not the inventor of the term. I've just tried to interpret >> it by applying some agreed upon rules of translation. >> >> Second, Geoffrey C. Filbert created that term and I am >> not very lucky about that. In the whole text of his "Excalibur >> Revisited" book "OUTCREATE" appears exactly one time and he >> did use bold letters at that occasion. I guess thus emphasizing >> the word was obviously misleading for some readers. One should see >> that in context of what Geoffrey wrote a few pages above. Then it >> becomes quite clear that "outcreate" is not meant in a destructive >> way. >> >> Again, if we take e.g. "outperform" it means to perform better than >> something/someone else (the thing or someone that is "outperformed" >> then). So the "outperformer", in order to be one, does of course not >> destroy the "performer". He just makes or does something that performs >> better. (A thing of natural progress, by the way.) >> >> People who's native language is different from English often translate >> the syllable "out" in a complete different direction. It has a negative >> meaning like in "to wipe out" or "cancel out" a.s.o. >> Following along that line of logic the meaning of "outcreate" would >> be easily misinterpreted as "to destruct a creation" or something >> like that. >> >> Well, why did I state that I'm not very lucky with Filbert's neologism? >> Simply because it was unnecessary. We already have enough very good >> definitions for all kinds of creation and its different states at >> hand. E.g.: >> >> [IS-NESS, 1. is-ness is an apparency of existence brought about by the >> continuous >> alteration of an as-isness. This is called, when agreed upon, reality. >> (PXL, p. >> 154) 2 . something that is persisting on a continuum. That is our >> basic definition >> of is-ness. (PXL, p. 91) 3 . i s - n e s s is an apparency, it is not >> an actuality. >> (PXL, p. 175) >> >> NOT-IS-NESS, 1. trying to put out of existence by postulate or force >> something >> which one knows, priorly, exists. One is trying to talk against his own >> agreements and postulates with his new postulates, or is trying to spray >> down >> something with the force of other is-nesses in order to cause a >> cessation of the isness he objects to. (PXL, p. 64) 2 . not-is-ness >> is the effort to handle is-ness >> by reducing its condition through the use of force. It is an apparency >> and cannot >> entirely vanquish an is-ness. (PXL, p. 154) 3 . there are two >> different conditions >> of not-is-ness: one is just vanishment. The other one is an is-ness which >> somebody is trying to postulate out of existence by simply saying, >> “It isn’t.” A >> not-is-ness, in our terminology, would be this second specialized case >> of an >> individual trying to vanish something without taking responsibility for >> having >> created it. (PXL, p. 100) 4 . not-is-ness is manifested as and is in >> itself the >> mechanism we know as unreality. (PXL, p. 55) >> >> ALTER-IS, 1 . a composite word meaning the action of altering or >> changing the >> reality of something. Is-ness means the way it is. When someone sees it >> differently he is doing an alter-is; in other words, is altering the way >> it is. >> This is taken from the Axioms. (LRH Def. Notes) 2 . to introduce a >> change and >> therefore time and persistence in an as-is-ness to obtain persistency. An >> introduction of an alter-is is therefore the addition of a lie to the >> real which >> causes it to persist and not to blow or as-is. (HCOB 11 May 65) >> >> AS-IS-NESS, 1. the condition of immediate creation without >> persistence, and is the >> condition of existence which exists at the moment of creation and the >> moment of >> destruction and is different from other considerations in that it does >> not contain >> survival. (PXL, p. 154) 2. as-is-ness would be the condition created >> again in >> the same time, in the same space, with the same energy and the same >> mass, the >> same motion and the same time continuum. (PXL, p. 68) 3 . something that >> is >> just postulated or just being duplicated—no alteration taking place. >> As-is-ness >> contains no life continuum, no time continuum. (PXL, p. 91)] >> >> To make that clear allow me to give an example for what Geoffrey - in my >> opinion - intended to express: >> >> Imagine an inventor who creates an invention. Some time after he had >> applied >> for patent someone else has an even better idea which outperforms the >> first >> inventor's idea and thus "outcreates" his invention in that it makes the >> first patent obsolete. In doing so the second inventor did not commit an >> overt or overwhelm. He might not even have known of the other's invention. >> He did not go and drop a bomb at the others factory - which would have >> been >> an overt and a destructive kind of "alter-is". >> >> E.g. Thomas A. Edison invented the DC (direct current) electrical >> generator. >> He and his financial backers made every effort to promote DC current to >> become >> the standard system for power grids and electrical power distribution. >> Well, the even greater genius Nicola Tesla invented AC (alternating >> current) >> as a means for electrical energy distribution. Since Tesla's idea was >> superior >> to that of Edison (DC can not use transformers to generate high voltages. >> AC can do that. It's an issue of efficiency in energy transport - an >> issue I'm >> not going into in detail here) Tesla's idea clearly outperforms Edison's. >> Thus it made DC current - for that particular purpose - obsolete or, as >> Filbert would have said it: "Tesla OUTCREATED Edison's concept of electric >> power distribution." >> >> Finally, the example you gave >> <quote> >> For example one could imagine out-creating the existing food >> economy/industry with a system of permaculture and plentiful food >> forests - >> <end quote> >> is one I've seen work very well. >> >> What you say can be done on a small scale and it is perfectly scalable. >> >> I know that it works, because I already saw before 2008 that things come >> to a head economically and acted accordingly. I grow my own food since, >> be mostly self-sufficient and have learned a lot of new things by the way. >> >> In that sense I'm honestly grateful to the Elite, the political leaders, >> the proponents of the banking industry, ... for that they created an >> environment for me that had allowed me to wake up and act due to a highly >> increased necessity level in respect of survival. I would not have >> been motivated enough without that higher necessity level. So I've >> developed further as a being and I'm lucky because I see that I do not >> need to destroy or fight their system any more. Instead I use the assets >> I have at hand (e.g. creativity) to manage to make things better for >> myself >> and those around me. >> >> >> Have a nice day >> >> Robin >> >> P.S.: LRH around 1950-52 wrote much about "decreasing the MEST-Universe's >> power while increasing ones own universe". See Scientology 8008. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 02:52:50 +0100, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Send TROM mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. RE Out-Create (The Resolution of Mind list) >>> 2. Suffering on Level 2 for 100 hours (The Resolution of Mind list) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 12:55:08 -0400 >>> From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [TROM1] RE Out-Create >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Is this what you mean by "Out-Create"? >>> >>> "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change >>> something build a new model (creation) that makes the existing model >>> obsolete" Bucky Fuller is attributed with saying that. >>> >>> For example one could imagine out-creating the existing food >>> economy/industry with a system of permaculture and plentiful food >>> forests - >>> back to an earthly paradise without profit or exploitation conditions.... >>> more simple and uncomplicated. >>> I would want to get into the viewpoint of those who oppose, at least.... >>> all limiting non-life postulates were once less limiting life-oriented >>> postulates (I could be wrong on that). I see it would take great patience >>> and compassion. >>> >>> colleen >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20160313/b606c879/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 08:53:52 +0700 >>> From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [TROM1] Suffering on Level 2 for 100 hours >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Dear TROMmers, >>> >>> Short version: >>> This email will contain my experience with running TROM for approximately >>> 100 hours on level 2. >>> I did not have any big gains, no ability returned, but had an awful lot >>> of >>> yawning an suffering. >>> The only ability is that I now remember a bunch of previous lives (mostly >>> thanks to scientology auditing) >>> >>> Background and Short History: >>> I was in the church for a about two years, 20 years ago , but it was just >>> dianetics auditing. >>> Being an experimenter type, I was quickly declared and thrown out as a >>> suppressive person. >>> 11 years ago I found TROM, the theory was fascinating. It is simple and >>> intuitive, so I >>> started on level 2. Soon I realized I need an e-meter to really be able >>> to >>> tell if there is a change, >>> so I bought one, and did some sessions, had a big win, but then it was >>> not >>> working, so I give up after maybe 10-20 hours. >>> 2 years ago I visited an ex scientology auditor, and started on the >>> bridge, >>> I did the TR's and objectives, >>> ARC straightwire, Grade 0 and Grade 1 with him (could not continue, moved >>> to another city) and also did 50 hours of >>> TROM with him on level 2. After that I have decided I will do 50 hours of >>> TROM this year. >>> So I will tell you my different experiences with TROM in the following >>> sections. >>> >>> First Experiments >>> After reading the book I rushed to practice. Of course being inside >>> scientology I understood level 2 as a >>> method to run charged or heavy or uncomfortable events. Well I did not >>> feel >>> much change. Sometimes >>> I felt nervous, but could not decide weather there was change while >>> running >>> the event or not. >>> After I gave up for a little bit -because I could not assess change- I >>> realized I need an e-meter, >>> because that will measure change. So I bought one, and restarted >>> enthusiastically, found a few charged events >>> had a few wins, it was great. But soon I run out of events. The meter did >>> not move any more. >>> It was not a floating needle as Dennis described, it was just sluggish >>> mostly, but nothing >>> to run anymore ... so as I mentioned before, it did not work as >>> advertised. >>> I gave up for the >>> next 10 years. >>> >>> Scientology auditing >>> I had some free time in my life, so I had the idea, to go try scientology >>> auditing in the freezone. >>> I did the TR's and objectives, ARC straightwire, Grade 0 and Grade 1. >>> Well >>> maybe I am in terrible >>> case maybe not. According to my auditor I am considered an average case, >>> with not much trauma >>> in my life. So level 2 should have worked for me according to Dennis, but >>> it did not! >>> And I tell you while it was most probably later started to work (my idea >>> and Dennis also speaks about this) >>> Every person wanting to go up the scientology bridge have to do TR's and >>> objectives. >>> The objectives part contains processes called CCH and there are 10 of >>> them. >>> One of them >>> called the Book and Bottle. Well if you do not know what it is, I give >>> you >>> an idea here, >>> at least this is how my auditor run it on me. You walk to a bottle on one >>> side of the room >>> tell it's weight, color, then you are requested to walk to a book on the >>> other side of the >>> room and tell it's color and weight. I started around 8 a.m. and I had to >>> do it until >>> around 18 o'clock. You just cannot imagine how hard is to survive that >>> for >>> 10 hours. >>> And the rest of the CCH is not easier by any means. I believe the CCH >>> processes broke my case, >>> because very soon after them I tried TROM again, as you can see in the >>> next >>> section, but >>> this time it worked, well if you call the worst repeated experience of >>> your >>> life working :-) >>> >>> >>> TROM with an auditor >>> I decided to do TROM with an auditor because I was unable to do it alone, >>> and after 10 years of struggling, I came >>> to the conclusion that I need help with this, whatever Dennis Stephens >>> says. Also I did not have that much >>> experience with auditing in general, the rigorous process, and the >>> willpower it needed. >>> We always did 1 hour sessions. After 1 hour I was so tired, that I had to >>> go home to sleep. >>> So that 50 hours of auditing took a long time to complete (2 months >>> almost >>> every day) >>> (of course we did try longer sessions like 90 minutes, but the few >>> times we >>> did, made me so tired, that I was totally exhausted) >>> I took events from my current life, pick an item from them (like a >>> chair, a >>> friend) and compared them with objects in present time. >>> The effect? From a 60 minutes session, I was yawning at least 50 minutes. >>> By that I mean that >>> my mouth was open for 50 minutes and closed for 10 minutes. So one yawn >>> usually takes a minute. >>> Five minutes after starting, my nose started to run, so one hour usually >>> resulted in 5 wet handkerchiefs. >>> I did not run any important or charged event from my life. Just the >>> normal, >>> not charged ones. >>> After about 45 hours the yawning started to decrease on the events. Then >>> one day my auditor asked me if I felt >>> anything different, (I did not), because the needle characteristic on the >>> e-meter changed, he said. >>> Well next day I found out, what he meant. The yawning run out, and I go >>> so >>> angry I could trash the place, and >>> beat up my auditor. Then quickly I reached boredom. We did this a few >>> times, It all happened within one hour: >>> 10-15 minutes yawning, a little anger, boredom, and then nothing, just >>> did >>> TROM until the 1 hour finished. >>> So I decided that maybe from here, I can do it alone. >>> >>> TROM alone >>> I started to do level 2 on charged events, alone, with my e-meter, 1 hour >>> sessions. >>> The yawning returned to span 90% of the time again. >>> But after about 15 hours I run out of events to process. Whatever I >>> picked >>> up, just was boring, and did not >>> have any effect on the e-meter. Did I reach the end of level 2? I was >>> hoping, but I still could not place, the then >>> next to the now. I mean sometimes yes, but it took too much effort, and >>> only could do it after I run out the charge, >>> and even then it was not perfect. So I definitely did not finish level 2, >>> but could not find anything that would produce >>> change (noticeable by myself on myself, or on the e-meter). WTF should >>> I do >>> now? So I went to amazon, because >>> by this time, the 6 TROM books were available, and I bought them all, and >>> read them. Nothing! >>> What the hell should Ii run in the session then? >>> >>> >>> Dream TROM >>> In desperation, I came up with the idea to run my dreams on level 2. The >>> idea was so stupid, that I went to my auditor >>> to ask his advice, and to my astonishment, he said, that I should go >>> ahead >>> and do it, because they contain many >>> unconscious events, probably even events from past lives. >>> So I did it. Every morning I wrote down my dreams (usually only one I can >>> remember) and during the day I run it on >>> level 2. Boy was I in trouble! For the next 20 hours I had to reduce my >>> session time to 30 minutes. >>> It was awful, my jaw hurt from the yawning, an I was so tired, that many >>> times after 30 minutes of auditing I just >>> lay down in my bed, and fall asleep immediately. I did not matter, if I >>> just woke up from a whole night of sleep, >>> after I did a session, I had to go back to sleep again. It took almost 2 >>> months to do that 20 hours of auditing, >>> which is ridiculous, and it hurt me a lot. And how it worked is even >>> worse. >>> I had a dream, I picked a chair >>> from it and run it for 30 minutes, next day I picked the table that was >>> next to the chair in the same dream, that also >>> give me 30 minutes yawning. Finishing level 2 seemed impossible. >>> Nothing last forever, and one day my dream run out (no yawning, no >>> e-meter >>> needle movement) in 15 minutes, >>> and whatever other objects or persons I took from the same dream, the >>> yawning did not return. >>> Next day the same happened. WTF should I do now? Luckily the same day I >>> was >>> dreaming a very strange dream. >>> I was in the second word war running from the Germans, captured, and >>> everything looked like in those old war movies. >>> I run it with TROM, it run out, and then -thinking about past lives- I >>> asked myself did I have an earlier similar event? >>> So I had a vague memory of being beaten, I run it, and it got cleaner, I >>> was beaten in ancient Egypt. I run this >>> incident for 2x30 minutes until no change (no yawning, and no emeter >>> movement) >>> >>> Past life TROM >>> I travelled to my auditor, and begged him to help me find past lives, and >>> even though I just got until grade 1, I managed >>> to push him to run some new era dianetics on me. He told me, he will >>> try to >>> run it, it will either work, and then we >>> continue or not run at all, then he can not help me but return to grade >>> 1. >>> We started out with my Egyptian incident, >>> and run with scientology auditing, about 5 past life incidents come up in >>> about 6 hours of auditing. If you know how New Era Dianetics >>> works, you know, that it will not erase incidents, just the oldest one. >>> So >>> you see some incident, and the moment you >>> can remember an earlier incident, you are requested to move to the >>> earlier >>> one, leaving the original unhandled (as I understand it) >>> So I went back home, and took all those unfinished incidents, and run >>> TROM >>> on them. One incident usually run for 60-90 minutes! >>> By this time I could increase my session time back to 60 minutes. So >>> when I >>> finished all the incidents I found with my auditor >>> I was back to square one: I had nothing to audit. And I can tell you this >>> with certainty: It is not possible to recall past lives >>> with TROM, not at the beginning at least. The reason it worked with the >>> scientology auditor was that I closed my eyes the >>> whole time, so I tried the same during TROM sessions: I did not compare >>> anything, I did not open my eyes, I just went >>> through the event a few times (with a lot of yawning of course) and after >>> maybe 15-30 minutes I could open my eyes, >>> and start to do TROM on those objects/persons (with more yawning) which >>> by >>> that time I could clearly recall. >>> I just cannot access past lives with my eyes open, most of the time I >>> just >>> have a feeling, or very faint part of a picture >>> and when I go over and over again, more details come up, maybe later .... >>> >>> >>> My Conclusions >>> - TROM is not a mature technology. It was invented by one man, and as I >>> understand it very few people provided feedback. >>> Therefore it worked for one man, who had very little case to begin >>> with, >>> so it is rather untested, and most certainly will not work for everybody. >>> - It is impossible to understand TROM without really understanding >>> scientology. Dennis does not stress this, but >>> the guy lived his entire life inside or around scientology. It was like >>> breathing to him, he did the original Saint Hill Special >>> Briefing Course, but for an outsider? >>> - No timeframe, no statistics. This is the worst in my view. My >>> scientology >>> auditor tells me, that making a clear takes >>> usually 450 hours of auditing. Nowhere in TROM did I see the number of >>> hours. When I started out, I was thinking, that >>> level 2 will take 10-20 hours to complete. Now I have about 50 hours of >>> dianetics, 200 hours of scientology auditing >>> and 100 hours of TROM and hey I just found a few past lives, of which I >>> am sure there are thousands. THOUSANDS. >>> How much time do you think it will take to run out with TROM like 1000 >>> lifetimes, when running one life took me >>> 350 hours? Maybe much less. I am just wenting my anger... >>> - My auditor told me that an OT VIII needs around 2500 hours of auditing >>> from zero to OT VIII. >>> OT VII alone takes 1500 hours, so the rest of the bridge takes about >>> 1000 >>> hours. >>> Based on that number, now I see that just to do 1000 hours requires >>> extreme dedication. If I can do 1 hour every day, >>> which is of course impossible, so lets just go with 300 hours a year. >>> Let's say I need 600 more hours of level 2, and maybe >>> 600 level 3. That would be 4 YEARS of very hard, very dedicated work. >>> Am >>> I up for that? Well I am not sure. >>> >>> My 2 cents, which I would add to TROM based on my experience >>> So OT VIII takes 2500 hours, deduct 1500 for OT VII, because Dennis does >>> not believes in Body Thetans/Entities which OT VII >>> is all about, that would leave us 1000 hours of auditing. Dennis says by >>> completing level 3 you are above OT VIII. >>> You did not just think that TROM is so much more effective than >>> scientology >>> auditing, and therefore needs less time? >>> According to my experience, they are on pair, judging by the effects >>> (e.g. >>> yawning) they have on me. So to be above OT VIII >>> with a permanent floating needle, well let's just say that will take 500 >>> extra hours of auditing. So 1000 + 500 = 1500 hours. >>> Well that's just a total guesswork, but what matters to me, is that it >>> gives me rough estimates of the magnitudes involved: >>> - You did 10 hours on level 2,3 and declared yourself finished, well >>> haha, >>> I think this is self delusion. >>> - You did 100 hours on level 2,3 and declared yourself finished, go visit >>> an auditor, and check your permanent floating needle >>> I can almost guarantee you, you will even fail the clear certainty >>> test. >>> 100 hours is nothing. Even a clear takes 450 hours. >>> - You did several hundreds of hours on level 2,3 Please, tell me about >>> your >>> experience. >>> - How many past lives did you handle with level 2,3? You did not >>> seriously >>> believe that by running this life, you erased >>> your bank? This life is very pleasant and comfortable for most people >>> today. But you lived 1000 of lives before. >>> Let's say you run x charge of this life, what about the other 1000x? >>> And >>> we did not even go into actual gpm's and the like. >>> - There is only so much charge you can erase in this life, it is not even >>> 0.1 percent of the charge on your whole time track. >>> Did you run that out? Where does Dennis mentions this? Well if you can >>> read between the lines, or read scientology stuff... >>> It takes in my estimates at least 1500 hours to finish level 2 and 3, >>> to be >>> above OT VIII, with a permanent floating needle. >>> So in my opinion, if you want to do TROM: >>> -Go to an auditor and at least finish TR's and objectives, and ARC >>> staightwire. (and yes I could easily run RI and level 2 before I did) >>> -Buy an e-meter, without that you are blind (yawning was a good >>> indication >>> in the last 100 hours, but it just gives me confidence) >>> -Prepare for years of suffering every day >>> -Stack up on willpower. Level 2 is horrible. Could you hurt yourself for >>> years, every single day? >>> -I am not even sure you can do this alone, I mean how an ordinary man >>> have >>> such kind of willpower? >>> That's the whole reason scientology works with the auditor preclear >>> model. >>> Because the auditor's and yours combined >>> analytical power is greater than your reactive mind's power. >>> -Stack up on higher level scientology books (1950-1965), I do not think >>> the >>> TROM books are enough, to understand all this. >>> I mean Dennis just mentions past lifes in passing, but if you read early >>> scientology stuff, you will see that >>> most charge is not on the current life >>> >>> >>> Whining >>> Currently my total auditing time is 350 hours, so maybe from tomorrow I >>> will run out 1 whole past life every day, and in 3 >>> years I will finish. Maybe tomorrow, I will blow all my charges, and will >>> get that floating needle. I will tell you about it then. >>> You see the problem is that when I set a goal, an I give it up, then I >>> have >>> lost a game with my reactive mind, therefore getting >>> down in the downward spiral. And I decided to reach level 3 almost 11 >>> years >>> ago, and I am nowhere near, >>> and most probably I will give up, because Dennis Stephens could not >>> write a >>> fucking number (hours) in his books. >>> Well it was easy for him, he had an easy case to run, but me mere mortal? >>> What about me? >>> If I open the TROM book I could realistically make a decision to start, >>> if >>> he would just wirte 1000 hours for level 2. >>> Because in that case I would not have set my goal for sure, knowing >>> that I >>> do not have the kind of will necessary for this. >>> >>> Summary >>> In my opinion TROM is for people like Dennis: OT's from the 1950's and >>> 1960's or OT VIII's of today. >>> They have the background knowledge necessary, a reactive mind cleared and >>> blasted to pieces by hundreds of hours of auditing >>> and the increased determination coming with that kind of case. For >>> anybody >>> else it is like a minefield, >>> of which 95% percent of the people doesn't even realize it is a >>> minefield, >>> because they give up sooner than realizing it >>> or declare themselves finished before even stepping on it. >>> Yes everybody can do it - I have to agree - but how many people have that >>> kind of willpower out of 100? >>> >>> The Future >>> Life takes us away from our goals, have to manage a thousand things. Have >>> to work, care with the family, sports, hobbies, etc. >>> I am not the kind of guy, who reads about TROM, runs it for an hour and >>> then post it on facebook or an email list, >>> and then looks for something else. I like to do things thoroughly. >>> Will I give up? Most probably I will at some point. Why should I >>> continue? >>> To yawn for 1000 hours more for 3-4 years? >>> Maybe I cannot spend 1 hour every day, so maybe it would take 10 years of >>> yawning. >>> Yeah, that?s a great gain, yawn every day for 3 years is just such a >>> great >>> experience. >>> >>> >>> Anyway I run out of my frustration for this year :-) >>> Would be very happy to get some feedback from you guys. >>> It would make me even happier if you would tell me, how much time did you >>> invest in each level? >>> and how many of you did actually check if they had the kind of floating >>> needle Dennis describes? >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards from some idiot who started TROM a very long time ago and >>> got >>> nowhere with it.... yet >>> >>> >>> PS: >>> I wrote this email in October 2015 when my frustration reached it's peek, >>> and then put it away to think about it. >>> Now I re-read it, and my opinion did not change much. >>> Maybe it's my case? Maybe I am so terribly aberrated that it works easily >>> for everybody except me? >>> It is of course another possibility, the one I don't believe in right >>> now. >>> I just cannot accept the fact that some of you achieved level 2 and 3 in >>> 20-50 hours. >>> TROM works of course, as advertised, judging from my 100 hours of >>> yawning. >>> I'm just saying that it's is a totally immature and untested technic. >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20160314/9961287c/attachment.html >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TROM mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> >>> End of TROM Digest, Vol 137, Issue 15 >>> ************************************* >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TROM mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >
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