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not seem to go through. sent 10 hours ago, Hi, Ant]]
Nice to see some present time discussion on the list. Does anyone feel
inspired to tell of some recent TROM results?
I expect (hope) that all of you know not to open an attached file of the .EXE
type (possibly also pictures, I don't know) unless you are quite sure that the
apparent sender did send it personally to you.
If you have received and opened Worm.ExploreZip(pack) , or Worm.ExploreZip,
(or
are curious) there is more to read about it on this page:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/index.html
click on WormExploreZip
(The story there emphasises the importance of having a back up which is _not_
on a drive available when you computer is running :-( )
Now here is your weekly dose of well preserved previous TROM postings (By the
way there are some 60 to 70 people on trom-l and most have been on for quite a
long time).
Hi,
Ant
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Subject:
TROM Replay B36
Date:
Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:54:57 +0200
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
Subject:
[Fwd: TROM-L]
Date:
Mon, 21 Jul 1997 05:55:49 +0200
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Thanks for the Thankers, DWL.
TROMers - look like you should have this.
To any one uncertain, DWLs phrase "3 others with minimal to very
experienced with that other tech are running just fine" I am pretty sure
"the other tech" refers to Scientology.
All the best,
Ant
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Subject:
TROM-L
Date:
Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:50:30 -0800
From:
DWL of TGSW <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Thanks for the TROM update detailing your taking over the resp. of
Trom-L.
I have not had the same difficulties that others have published and
related thru comm lines of one sort or another. Remarkabley contrary
for sure.
However I've made sure the use of a meter in the earlier sessions is a
must unless there be none available. It is quite simple for non
experienced meter users to apply when one treats any change of
characteristic (with the needle) as something being there to run. (in
other words a change is a change - thus continue the process) - Crank
the sens way up and go for it seems to work fine for the beginner.
Although I've only gotten 7 or 8 new presons with no prior experience
running at this time. 3 others with minimal to very experienced with
that other tech are running just fine. Many gains all the way around.
One other thing is that L-2 and L-3 I've pretty much insisted be very
very well done before moving on to L-4 & 5. I mean solid is solid when
it comes to mocking up. With the one exception where L2 was running
very slowly for one and that was resolved by a brief single pass thru
L-4 which as I expected started L-2 to flow like a river.
I have noticed one thing though. It is almost if not impossible to
run
other practices processes for me anymore. Let me qualify that by saying
whenever an incident or question is answered, the scene goes Wham and
then timebreaks. It is like instant - there is no moving "thru" the
incident allowed it blows on inspection sort of like being asked "where
were you yesterday at 10am" - suddenly there is a 3-D re-vivification
solid Mass, energy , space and time - I look (glance around_me in 360
degree sphere) usually make a comment such as "Oh, here I am. . .) and
the scene disolves if I am still keeping touch with pt. otherwise one
seems to be able to do whatever one wants to do or go in that time and
space continuum as though it were where the physical body is.) I did
once though not well enough push a mock up through some created space in
one of those continuum and others there started to notice my location.
I guess the mockup was not solid enough though I am working on it. Ha!
just realized what it is to "Mockup" inside a Mockedup-Mockup.
Anyway I am starting to ramble on so Happy Trom-ing thanks for taking
on the list responsibilities. - Any Data that Dennis has put out
previously from notes to tapes would be welcome to some of us out here I
am sure.
Best Regards,
DWL
Subject:
Re: Replay 11
Date:
Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:54:37 -0400
From:
Scott Miller <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
References:
1
Antony Phillips wrote:
> In reply to message <[email protected]> :
> >I would like some input on what people actually do as RI on TROM, and how.
Thanks for reposting this thread on RI. This has always been a point of
interest as to whether I was "doing it right". Sometimes running RI
seemed much more effective than at other times. The instructions,
especially "have another create..." semed vague. Nice to see some other
viewpoints on this.
Scott Miller
[email protected]
Subject:
Games
Date:
Sun, 27 Jul 1997 19:18:17 -0400
From:
[email protected] (William T Fenton)
To:
[email protected]
To: TROM-L-1
From: Frank Gordon
Subj: Getting caught up in a game.
Date: 28 July 1997
TROM:TO PLAY OR NOT TO PLAY?
One goal of TROM is improving the ability to choose whether or not to
play a game (or to
"get involved"). So it's been worthwhile for me to look at this decision
to play or not to
play in some simple examples.
To play or not to play-example one
A guy told me, "My girlfriend said I was stupid! So I'm going to read all
of the
Encyclopedia Brittanica, and PROVE to her that I am not!"
He had decided to play her game, and it was one that he could not win,
since no matter
how much he learned, she could maintain that it wasn't enough. Here the
game becomes
for him: the evaluation that he is X is not true.
A second approach would be for him to view the problem differently. It
wasn't that he was
"stupid," but that she was upset. So the game would then become, "How can
I reduce her
upsetness?" And finding out why she was upset.
A third approach would be for him to agree with her postulate "It must be
known that you
are stupid," by providing the complementary postulate "I must know that I
am stupid." He
might do this by asking, "Really? Tell me more." And then comments like,
"Since a stupid
person would be too stupid to know that he was stupid, I really
appreciate you telling me
about this." As a game, this has a peculiar structure, like turning the
force of an attack
back against the aggressor.
Another would be to totally acknowledge this communication with an
impinging "Thank
you!"
Example two
A student spent the night and asked me to awaken him at 6:15 the next
morning. I did.
When I said, "It's 6:15." He arose, looked at the clock, and snarled, "I
KNOW IT!" as
though I had done something wrong. I went into the kitchen and gritted my
teeth
(obviously getting caught up in some kind of game-condition - after all,
he had asked me
to wake him at 6:15).
When he came out into the kitchen, I asked him why he had snarled at me,
and he said that
whenever his mother said what time it was, she was criticizing him for
still being in bed
and he didn't like it. I told him that all I was doing was giving him a
piece of information,
and that he could have handled it with a "Thank you." At this point I
stopped gritting my
teeth, and realized that I had gotten caught up in someone else's game.
Subject:
postulates response
Date:
Sat, 02 Aug 1997 09:38:22 -0700
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
Aug. 2, 1997
Dear Judith,
Thank you for your excellant post(7/9) in response to my postulates
post(I have just now
returned from holiday and read it). These guidelines really reduce
everything one has
read in the past to a comprehensive simplicity. I really love these
rules and will
begin applying them immediately.
-Mike
Subject:
replays
Date:
Sat, 02 Aug 1997 10:04:29 -0700
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
Hello Ant,
Aug. 2, 1997
Thank you for your letter and also the replays of trom-l. I
particularly find useful the
explanation of level 5a by Dennis H. Stephens. I found that I was not
running it exactly this
way in that I was at 5a still looking around for very particular things
instead of setting
up the general postulate and holding it until the effects show up and then
timebreaking them
as they come. I have made tremendous strides on level 5 already but
duplicating it in this
manner of moving away from the preconceived specifics of postulate is
important indeed.
best regards,
Mike
Subject:
Date:
Sun, 3 Aug 1997 07:42:31 -0400
From:
[email protected] (William T Fenton)
To:
[email protected]
To: TROM-L-2
From: Frank Gordon
Subj: An example game cycle. The battle of the cryptographers in World
War II.
Date: 3 August 1997
AN EXAMPLE GAME CYCLE
I've found it helpful to search for examples of the various TROM game
cycles given by
Dennis Stephens. One that came to mind was the use of cryptography in
World War II. On
this, it would be helpful to have the Postulate Cycle chart handy.
Motivator:prevented from knowing
Here the game cycle from 3A to 4B may apply. To keep their military
messages secret, 3A
Origin - "Mustn't be Known," the Germans had developed an extremely
complex
encrypting machine, the Enigma Machine; which placed the British, the
receipt point in the
condition of "Mustn't Know."
The game begins
Naturally the British did not wish to be prevented from knowing what the
German military
plans were, and decided (3B at the receipt point) that they "Must Know."
The game continues
The British then implemented their "Must Know" while the Germans
maintained and
improved their "Mustn't be Known."
To accomplish this the British set up a large decoding team at Bletchley
Park (4A, "Must
Know" as a now active Origin point). With information about the design of
the Enigma
Machine from the Poles, and with the help of computers (built with the
help of an early
computer pioneer, Alan Turing) they succeeded after enormous efforts in
decoding the
output of the Enigma Machine,
Overt: forcing to be known
In this way the British were forcing the German messages to be known at
4B, changing
them from a "Must not be Known" to a "Must be Known."
Conclusion
By finding an example like this for the cycle from 3A to 4B given on the
Postulate Cycle
Chart, I can see more clearly how this sequence can apply to a game.
This sequence can be expanded. For example, one can be sitting in an
overwhelm where a
"Mustn't be Known" has been passively accepted ("Oh, that's just life")
and then suddenly
wake up to a "Must Know" about it, and the game begins. This might also
describe what
happens during an auditing cycle.
Personal Comment
It is a wonderful thing that Dennis Stephen's has advanced this
uncopyrighted approach to
knowledge, and the free feeling to explore that goes with it. I would
consider it most
unfortunate if anyone attempted to seal off and "own" a portion of this
approach with
copyrights and confidential agreements.
Frank
Subject:
Introduction
Date:
Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:03:52 -0400
From:
"Dustin W. Carr" <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Hello all,
I am Dustin Carr. Ant has been kind enough to replay some of my old stuff
to this group, so I thought I should do as he suggested and introduce
myself to those who do not know me now. I find most of my previous
writings quite repulsive. I thought of actually responding to my replays
-- to counter the hideous things that this past writer thought necessary to
share with others -- but I did not want to appear argumentative. Besides,
the journey of a thousand miles begins not with a foot in the mouth.
I am a mortal man living in New York state, where I am a graduate student
studying nanotechnology (the art and science of making really small things,
like tiny guitars).
I have been using TROM for the past three years or so. With the techniques
that Dennis laid out, I have successfully rewired the neural network within
my brain so that I can be more effective at life in general. I love being
a man, and I love the company it puts me in.
I am still pursuing this path, although I have made many of my own changes
along the way. I have even developed some different exercises that carry
things beyond level five and produce much more change. I am still
experimenting with these. I have some different theories and ideas on why
TROM works, and how it should be taught and applied. Somebody with a
different name than my own will probably finish writing these ideas up and
make them known to others soon.
I welcome any communication from all. Let me know you are alive so that my
life may be more complete.
Dustin
Dustin W. Carr
Cornell University Physics Department
G-6 Clark Hall
Ithaca NY, 14853
[email protected]
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