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TROM: Replay B45
Date:
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 06:34:54 +0200
From:
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Organization:
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To:
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Dear Trommers,
I have sent this replay a little differently, with only one
attachment.
We have one subscriber whose service provider rejects "too many
attachments".
Unfortunately this gives you a lot of useless header details
Good tromming, and don't forget that you can inform the list of what
you
are doing and results, and ask questions.
Hi, Ant
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Hello all,
I started with the TROM-Technology from Dennis H. Stephens and wonder
if
there is somebody, who is still active and would share his experiences
with
me.
Lots of Love
Peter
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Dear Peterr, and everyone on TROM-l,
I have put Peter on trom-l (he was not on).
I'd suggest he asked specific questions, if he has any. Other wise,
I
will be posting one replay a week, and I guess we all look forward
to
hearing present time expereinces with trom. Nice when we get a HOme
page
up with some expereinces.
Peter, Would you like to introduce yourself a little more fully. How
far
have you come with TROM? did you get the book electronically or on
paper? etc. How did you hear of trom-l
If you do not get sent an up to date INFO on TROM-l I will send it
to
you, and I will send a few recent despatches to TROM-l
Al best wishes,
Ant - trom-l adminstrator.
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I started with the TROM-Technology from Dennis H. Stephens and wonder
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:17:57 -0500
From: Rowland Barkley <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Dustin Carr's Mystery Book
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From: "Dustin W. Carr" <[email protected]>
Subject: Interesting ideas
Hi trom-believers,
I pulled out an old book and found some interesting ideas that may
be
useful
for someone who is along any path. The source is somewhat esoteric, so
I=
hope that this is new for most of you. I will refrain for the time
being=
from stating the source, allowing you time to guess. =
(Text deleted)
I. DEFINITION.
Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity
wi=
th
Will.
II. POSTULATE.
ANY required Change may be effected by the application of the proper
kind=
and degree of Force in the proper manner through the proper medium to
the=
proper object.
(More text deleted)
<<<
The later philosopher who based his work on this mysterious writer (who
I=
thought was commonly known) highly praised this work and author,
calling
him a "very good friend" and the work "a beautiful piece
of aesthetics" o=
n
tape #18 of his December 1952 series. That series devotes quite some
spac=
e
to praising magicians. Much of this information is censored from
currentl=
y
available cassette tapes sold. A clue as to the identity of the
later
philosopher is he is the main philosopher who personally trained
Dennis
Stephens.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
http://trxxxanxxxxcxxxxeform.org email:
[email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
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>The later philosopher who based his work on this mysterious writer
(who I
>thought was commonly known) highly praised this work and author,
calling
>him a "very good friend" and the work "a beautiful
piece of aesthetics" on
>tape #18 of his December 1952 series. That series devotes quite some
space
>to praising magicians. Much of this information is censored from
currently
>available cassette tapes sold. A clue as to the identity of the
later
>philosopher is he is the main philosopher who personally trained
Dennis
>Stephens.
>
Perhaps my estimation that this was esoteric within this circle was
wrong.
Hubbard and Crowley certainly knew each other well. I am glad that
Hubbard
did give him credit somewhere. I had not heard of this before, although
I
had found evidence that Hubbard's work was based upon Crowley's
ideas.
> * * * * * * *
* * * *
>Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
>
http://trcccanxxxxcexxxxform.org email:
[email protected]
> * * * * * *
"Create your dream and step into it"
>
Dustin W. Carr
607-255-2329
Technical Research Associate
[email protected]
Cornell Nanofabrication Facility
Knight Laboratory
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
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At 11:15 AM 11/30/97 -0500, Dustin W. Carr wrote:
>
> Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman wrote:
>>The later philosopher who based his work on this mysterious
writer (who I
>>thought was commonly known) highly praised this work and author,
calling
>>him a "very good friend" and the work "a beautiful
piece of aesthetics" on
>>tape #18 of his December 1952 series. That series devotes quite
some space
>>to praising magicians. Much of this information is censored from
currently
>>available cassette tapes sold. A clue as to the identity of the
later
>>philosopher is he is the main philosopher who personally trained
Dennis
>>Stephens.
>>
>
>Perhaps my estimation that this was esoteric within this circle was
wrong.
>
>Hubbard and Crowley certainly knew each other well. I am glad
that Hubbard
>did give him credit somewhere. I had not heard of this before,
although I
>had found evidence that Hubbard's work was based upon Crowley's
ideas.
Oh! Oh!
Then you'd love "The Montauk Project", "Montauk
Revisited", and "Pyramids of
Montauk", by Preston B. Nichols with Peter Moon.
Fantastic stuff that explains the Philidelphia Experiment:
space-time
folding, personal transposition, an electronic amplifier that actualized
the
subconscious (which tore up the place leaving inch-deep gouges in
solid
concrete bunker walls.
Montauk Revisited (Adventures in Synchronicity), in Appendices A-E,
profiles
and connects:
L. Ron Hubbard
Aleister Crowley
and
The Shelleys
Cameron Duncan
Jack Parsons
Possibly one of the kindest and most revealing description on Hubbard
ever
written without hype, by someone who worked with him in Naval
Intelligence.
Reveals that LRH was not in the spying section but the psychic and
temporal
research projects. Might be a hint as to how he could have come out of
the
war blind and crippled without having a record of war injuries.
Points out that Hubbard's biggest problems were (a) nobody believed him
(I'd
say, nobody comprehended what he said), and (b) didn't trust anybody
(which
is consistent with my 36,000-year [project] acquaintance with him,
and
explains why he is so pre-emptively defensive).
-0-
|
Allen, Speaker
-0- ASC Missions Group
[email protected]
|
http://www.asc.org
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Got the attached on Peter, who joined trom-l on 29th November.
I also heard from another trom-l person who is stopping some other
activities, partly so he can read all the replays he has saved up
and
continue tromming.
Good tromming - ant trom-l administrator.
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Hello all,
<< Peter, Would you like to introduce yourself a little more fully.
How far
have you come with TROM? did you get the book electronically or on
paper? etc. How did you hear of trom-l >>
Well, I'm from Germany and my business is to help people become more
aware
through books and seminars. Excuse my English, it will become
better.
I got TROM as a book from a friend of mine, Flemming Funch, during a
seminar
to become a process facilitator. That was July 1994. This spring I
started to
study TROM and in November I began with Level one and two. Right now I
start
with Level 3. A friend of mine started with TROM a year ago, but stopped
at
level three. So he helped me to understand TROm as far as he know
it.
I by myself find the theories of TROM really great, especially because
I
studied L.R.Hubbard and worked with his technology in the freezone. It
seems
for me to get a tool more simple and with more freedom from help from
others.
I'm very interesting in exchanging experiences from people, who work a
longer
time with TROM and can answer some questions about it.
I by myself had no trouble at all with level one or RI and level two was
just
to become familiar with the timebreaking process. When I started with
level 3
I had problems to become an incident from my live real clear. But I have
to
say, that there is very less power on incidents in my live, because
through
my work with L.R.H. tech and ohter tools. Also I tested the level three
EP
with my friend and an e-meter. And right, there is no changing any more.
But
this was already so before I started with TROM.
So now I exercise level 3 to become more familiar with the
timebreaking
process and then go on to level four.
Peter
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Hello all,
here my experiences on level 3 i made during the first 3 exercises.
The incident I took was a tonsilectomy.
I took different details from the incident in order to timebreak it.
Different
phenomenas occur.
- during the concentration on the different parts in the incident
e.g. mouthcover of the surgeon, his eyeglasses, headmirror, cap, the
table
with the tools, the toll to cut the tonsils, floor, the ceiling the walls
in
the operating theater etc,
the somatic in my throat becomes a little bit stronger.
After a while different thougts to ohter incidensts appear and pulled me
away
from the main incident.
Then, when I left the main incident and kept a silence in my mind, the
somatic
in my throat becomes stronger. So I held this somatic without thoughts
and
timebreak it, till it vanished.
Then I started again to create the main incident, get the somatic
back,
timebreaked the different items in the incident and get pulled away
through
different thoughts again. So I started over and over again the main
incident.
Then, when I left it and kept silence in my mind again, the somatics
become
stronger and during the timebreaking disappeared.
I hope you can understand my English.
Before running level 3 I started with RIfor then minutes and no change
anymore
and I ended with RI till no change. RI at the end gets some changing on
both
processes (create and let create).
I still get the somatic in my throat, when I right this words, so the
incident
isn't timebreaked till now.
Maybe you got similar experiences and can tell me about it.
best wishes
Peter
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Hello all,
today I worked again on level three and made interesting
experiences.
When I started to timebreak an incident, suddenly another one came in my
mind
and become stronger then the beginning incident. So I kept the first
incident
for a while and tried to timebreak it, till it makes now changes
anymore.
During this I got some somatics acording the incidents, but they didn't
vanish
and I thought about to possibility that I create this somatic and hold
it, so
it is not a restimulation from the past, but a creation from myself
rightnow
and therefore can't vanish.
Then I went to the next incident which apperead and the earlier
somatic
vanishes.
After a while the next incident appears and so on the wohle hour I
exiercised
it. More and mor small incidents appeared, the most without somatics at
all.
During this time I felt very good and did explore te different
themes.
Then I finished with RI.
Did somebody had similar experiences?
Best wishes
Peter
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I recevied the TROM disk today from Judith.
I got two versions. A Rich Text version which is
unsuitable
for reading on the internet but does print properly from Microsoft
Word.
and can be downloaded by ftp etc by those with Word and a good
printer.
The second is an improperly formatted ascii text
version with
one long line for paragraphs.
I can change it to proper formatting, but I think that
many
of the formatted diagrams are going to be a useless mess.
These can be fixed with a few hours of editing work,
but not
by me.
I am open to suggestions on how to proceed.
Homer
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Homer, Send both to me via email, I will attempt to fix the ascii
or reformat to a text file using a microsoft word utility. I'll
return
the results to you by next week.
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Subject: Formatting
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I recevied the TROM disk today from Judith.
=
I got two versions. A Rich Text version which is
unsuitable
for reading on the internet but does print properly from Microsoft
Word.
and can be downloaded by ftp etc by those with Word and a good
printer.
=
The second is an improperly formatted ascii text
version with
one long line for paragraphs.
=
I can change it to proper formatting, but I think that
many
of the formatted diagrams are going to be a useless mess.
=
These can be fixed with a few hours of editing work,
but not
by me.
I am open to suggestions on how to proceed.
Homer =
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Email me the RTF version, or reply with an URL where I can pick it up,
an=
d
I should be able to get it to HTML in the next 24 hours.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
http://traxxxxnceformxxxxx.org email:
[email protected]
* * * * * * "Create your dream and step into
it"
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OK, will do.
Listen I have one little problem with the opening
disclaimer.
It puts the material into the public domain. I would prefer
that we leave that line out for the time being. THe rest
of the paragraph is very clear about what can or can not
be done with the material, and in fact putting it into the public
domain is contradictory to the rest of the paragraph.
Once its in the public domain, there is no taking it
back.
I *STRONGLY* suggest we leave the full copyright on in
it
under Stephen's name, and leave the rest of the paragraph
about copying as it is.
Please?
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On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Rowland Barkley wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I recevied the TROM disk today from Judith.
>
> I got two versions. A Rich Text
version which is unsuitable
> for reading on the internet but does print properly from Microsoft
Word.
> and can be downloaded by ftp etc by those with Word and a good
printer.
>
> The second is an improperly formatted
ascii text version with
> one long line for paragraphs.
>
> I can change it to proper formatting,
but I think that many
> of the formatted diagrams are going to be a useless mess.
>
> These can be fixed with a few hours of
editing work, but not
> by me.
>
> I am open to suggestions on how to
proceed.
>
> Homer
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Email me the RTF version, or reply with an URL where I can pick it
up, and
> I should be able to get it to HTML in the next 24 hours.
>
> * * * * * * *
* * * *
> Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
>
http://tranxxxceforxxxxm.org email:
[email protected]
> * * * * * *
"Create your dream and step into it"
>
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> From: Homer W. Smith <[email protected]>
> To: Rowland Barkley <[email protected]>
> Cc: TROM <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Formatting
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 8:47 PM
>
>
> OK, will do.
>
> Listen I have one little problem with the
opening disclaimer.
> It puts the material into the public domain. I would
prefer
> that we leave that line out for the time being. THe rest
> of the paragraph is very clear about what can or can not
> be done with the material, and in fact putting it into the
public
> domain is contradictory to the rest of the paragraph.
>
> Once its in the public domain, there is no
taking it back.
>
> I *STRONGLY* suggest we leave the full
copyright on in it
> under Stephen's name, and leave the rest of the paragraph
> about copying as it is.
>
> Please?
I really do agree with Homer on this one.
So, I'll add my Please to his.
Jacobus
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>
> On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Rowland Barkley wrote:
>
> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > I recevied the TROM disk today from Judith.
> >
> > I got two versions. A Rich
Text version which is unsuitable
> > for reading on the internet but does print properly from
Microsoft
Word.
> > and can be downloaded by ftp etc by those with Word and a good
printer.
> >
> > The second is an improperly
formatted ascii text version with
> > one long line for paragraphs.
> >
> > I can change it to proper
formatting, but I think that many
> > of the formatted diagrams are going to be a useless mess.
> >
> > These can be fixed with a few
hours of editing work, but not
> > by me.
> >
> > I am open to suggestions on how
to proceed.
> >
> > Homer
> > <<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > Email me the RTF version, or reply with an URL where I can pick
it up,
and
> > I should be able to get it to HTML in the next 24 hours.
> >
> > * * * * * *
* * * * *
> > Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep Tranceforming....shaman
> >
http://tranxxxcefxxxorm.org email:
[email protected]
> > * * * * *
* "Create your dream and step into it"
> >
>
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A gradient scale of games?
I have found Logics 7, 8, and 10, in the "Another Look at
Basics" Series
repeatedly
useful. So I thought of appying them to the "Life is a game"
concept.
An application of Logic 8.
I began by using Logic 8 (A datum can be evaluated only by a datum
of
comparable
magnitude) by comparing games and problems.
Both games and problems involve intention versus counter-intention,
or
postulate versus
counter-postulate structures.
A major difference between them is probably the degree of mustness
or
compulsion. While
a game is desired and includes, "want to, like to, love to,"
and "a
hidden current of
laughter;" a problem is not desired and includes, "have to,
gotta, must"
and an underlying
frustration.
Recognizing the similarities of games and problems opens the door to
applying the tech of
one to the other.
For example, a difficulty with TROM is the drop in havingness or
"importance" when a
game is vanished. Hubbard noted that whenever one had a compulsive
problem or game,
there was an underlying scarcity or "only one," which should be
repaired.
He handled this with problems, not by solutions, but by the command,
"Invent a problem
of comparable magnitude to that (or as big as that one)."
For games this could become: "Invent a game as big as that
one." Reading
over Judith
Methvin's material, it seems that this is essentially what she did
with
some success. This
would directly repair havingness or importance.
An applicaion of Logic 7.
By using Logic 7 (Gradient scales are necessary to the evluation of
problems and their
data) we can extend the postulate v. counter-postulate pattern both
higher and lower.
At a higher level could be "the spirit of play" or something
like "my
art-forms are more
beautiful and get more admiration than your art-forms." See Scn
8-80.
It is very hard for me to see war as exemplifying "the spirit of
play,"
but more as the result
of children who have played too hard.
On one tape Hubbard has viewed ARC breaks as the symptom of an
underlying
problem.
And at a lower level than a problem we have MEST. Possibly MEST that
was
formed as a
solution to constantly shifting over-magicalness ("Let's have a
little
certainty here, guys!")
and in its turn becoming a solidified problem? - MEST can be viewed
either way.
An application of Logic 10?
By viewing games in this proposed broader framework, we may then be
able
to apply
Logic 10 (The value of a datum is established by the amount of
alignment
(relationship) it
imparts to other data); and come up with a better approximation of
the
underlying
Buddhistic "thirst" Joachim (JHS) spoke of in replay
53.
Frank Gordon USA
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Date: 10 December 1997
Dear Joachim,
In your excellent article "One year of TROM-L," after noting
that "****
The letter below
is for TROM mailing lists subscribers only ..."
you stated that:
"One recurring issue in TROM discussions is the 'wording' of
goals...
'Goal' implies, at
least for me, a conscious decision of what to have or not to have.
While
those 'goals' ...
sometimes need to be addressed in processing, they're not all there
is.... Far more
important are those mechanisms who (which?) are conscious
level...
"The 'Buddha' called this 'thirst' and it appears in many colors
and
shapes, if one could call
it that way. Because of a lack of another 'word', I'll use 'thirst'
in
the following.
"If 'thirst' is there, any goal will be recreated over time, no
matter
how careful the goal
combination has been 'erased'...
"But a 'complete handling', IMNSHO (meaning?), MUST involve
addressing
the 'thirst' as
such.
Using 'words' to question this 'thirst' is an utterly futile
attempt.
Even trying to 'list' items
in the old Scn tradition wouldn't work because a verbalization
already
alters the perfectly
hidden 'thirst' structures.
"Furthermore, this 'thirst' is so natural, so self-evident to a
person
that s/he would never,
ever get [to] consider it to be an item anyhow."
and that:
"Stephens states in TROM that the basic 'goal' of every being would
be
the goal 'to know'
(which I find to be utter nonsense for various reasons.)" --
Joachim
I found the article fascinating, with its history of TROM,
timebreaking,
and goals; but
would like to focus on your last statement. I'm very curious (an
example
of "thirst?")
about ".. utter nonsense for various reasons," and would like
to know
more about those
"various reasons."
I sense something important here. Something above the mustness of
enforce
and inhibit -
and even above the area of desire and curious, but related to
them.
Evoked by the concept 'thirst' for me are: pure affinity, beingness,
space, "to hunger and
thirst after righteousness or 'something incredibly
precious.'"
Writing the above has also evoked a quote from an early unpublished
story
of mine, "The
Legend of the Lost Beacon."
"It was like a signal from the Lost Beacon, that an old
spacehand
sometimes speaks of,
when he feels at home upon some planet, and a far-off look of wonder
comes into his
eyes.
"And when he is done speaking of it, he says a silent prayer of
hope,
that what he sensed;
in some far-off place and long ago, and once upon a time, a time where
he
could be
forever and at peace, a time of yearning and fulfillment, interweaved
and
interlocked and
complete and flowing; he might be worthy and clean enough to sense
again,
with his arms
and his body and his heart.
"That clean and clear and faithful ancient signal."
Probably each person's perception and _expression_ of this 'thirst'
would
be different. This
was mine.
Frank Gordon USA
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