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Subject:
TROM: Replay B48
Date:
Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:21:38 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
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(regret, have not got round to doing anything about the last request
-
The files need the text formatting commands for Ventura taken out.)
Hi, Ant
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Subject:
TROM
-from the Pilot
Date:
Sat,
24 Jan 1998 21:27:28 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
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[
The Pilot is a prolific write, and I can not keep up with him. So
any
one spotting any of his writings to do with TROM, should please
repost
to this list. Possibly the best place to keep an eye on him is to
check
in with free Zone America Home Page
http://fza.org
and get on their Pilot mailing list.
I did however find the following (only the part to do with TROM
pasted
here).
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Antony A Phillips
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administrator)
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subj : Super Scio Tech - Answering Donald on Trom Etc.
ANSWERING DONALD ON TROM ETC.
On 11 Jan 98, Donald Shimoda
<"bnb"@(remove)best.com>
wrote on subject "QUESTIONS FOR THE PILOT"
> Dear Pilot
>
> Thank you for sharing your experiences with
us through your books.
> Your time was well spent. I agree that our universe IS nothing but
a
> wave of the hand.
>
> Since we haven't spoken before I thought I would
give you some
> information on myself and my relation to the Church of Scientology.
I
> started in 1980 and have had many major cognition's and case gains
by
> applying LRHs Tech. and actually went Clear by myself
while at home. I
> think my Cert # is fourteen thousand something as of a 1982
DCSI.
>
> Really wasn't trying to clear myself at the
time but I was
> contemplating the past and suddenly blew enough charge to
power a major
> American city for at least a hundred years or so and continued
cogniting
> for the next year after.
Excellent.
> However, I did read hours and hours of
LRH HCOBs , books and tapes
> in and out of the Orgs. prior to going clear mainly out of
fascination
> after going full blown keyed out Theta Clear exterior on the
$80.00
> Success Through Communication course offered in Div 6. This
was the
> first course I took.
>
> I would not have gone Clear by myself
without this LRH dude and the
> thousands of hours of he put into the Tech.. I am indebted
forever. All
> the money in the Universe couldn't repay the debt. Actually money
has
> nothing to do with it .
>
> I too have knowingly violated physical
universe laws with and
> without witnesses while being exterior . It made no difference to me
who
> was present while violating.
>
> At one time I paid some attention to this
guy who watched me float
> an aluminum ladder to the ground from about 2 feet in the air.
He
> watched and promptly went into a not is on it kind of look and
continued
> on with his day.
Again excellent.
> So... a couple of questions if you would please.
>
> 1) TROM tech. Do you have any reality with
this ?
> It is at
http://fza.org/trom/index.phtml and seems to be a direct
> method.
I picked it up when they made it available recently. I did a
quick read of it and tried the processes with some benefit although
I didn't do a thorough run. I would say that I'm more of a
dilettante rather than an expert in it at this point, but I do
have some observations and opinions.
Its nicely written and he does a good job of explaining some
basics.
I consider it to be a sequel to some things from the research
line of the late 1950s and it is pretty much in the late 50s
style although it has a bit of later stuff. Ron left many loose
ends and abandoned research lines and it is good to see them
followed up on. My own tendency is to follow up on things left
hanging from the early 1950s (1952-4).
There was such a wealth of things opened up in those early days
and unfortunately it was a one man show instead of an association
of researchers per suing all the paths in parallel.
My only objection to it is that the array of processes and the
areas handled are too narrow. Which is not a problem as long
as you don't do it exclusively.
It might be right as a first action for some people. Others might
find that it is worth their time at some point in their development,
such as between passes of the self clearing book.
If it seems to indicate as the right action, go ahead and run
it.
I do think, however, that if somebody grinds along with it too
long it will begin to bypass charge on other areas of the case.
But that is true of lots of tech.
==============================0
Subject:
Re:TROM IS GREAT
Date:
Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:01:34
-0800
From:
"MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE"
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
CC:
[email protected]
Hi
Randy,
1/27/98
Yes, Trom is wonderful and I can really look on it as a very
important
postulate one had made coming to pass(finding it). The other great
thing, as you
mentioned, it very quickly gave me a strong reality of the FreeZone.
But
even on staff the idea that the COS was the ONLY place one could avail
himself to clearing tech seemed ridiculous and in fact toward
the end
I was considering how one could be causative over their SCN future
outside
of staff or COS. What I am finding very interesting about Trom at this
point is ones ability to change, examine their basic considerations
has
increased remarkabley. Specifically, considerations regarding
personal
causativeness. I can see where training, data, communication would
really
be fuel for ones growth at this point. I ran across this interesting
excerpt from Bob Ross this weekend:
Two specific assertions of great importance in making conditions
persist are assertions of Rightness and denials of rightness or
making things or others wrong, also known as invalidation.
Asserting
or proclaiming Rightness provides justification for having a
thought
and so reduces ones own causativeness by assigning cause to what
one
has considered right instead of to oneself Invalidating a thought or
accepting invalidation of a
thought denies that thought and tries to make it not be, while
continuing to
create it. This empowers the suppression/and or suppressor who is
blamed, and assigns causativeness to that supressor. Peeling off
assertions
of rightness and invalidations helps to
restore personal causativeness and resposibility for and over one's
own thoughts. One may be invalidated or made wrong by others, but
what harms people most is making themselves wrong for whatever
reason.
Assigning judgments of importance and unimportance are two more
ways to lessen one's own causativeness, as doing so, assigns cause
to
other than self.
At a level of total cause over one's own life, importance and
unimportance exist only by assignment of the person making the
judgement and persist until the person changes his mind.
I liked the emphasis there on the reduction of causativeness. This
truth, for me, exposes the lie, that the assigning of importance(i.e.
blame,
regret) is a big trap in itself that undermines personal causation.
Sounds like you are really having some great wins, that's great, I'd
like
to hear more. You should have received your tape by now as I sent it
last week, did you?
Best Regards,
Michael
Subject:
Re: TROM TROM
TROM TROM TROM TROM TROM TROM TROM TROM
TROM TROM TROM
TROM TROM TROM TROM
Date:
Wed, 28 Jan 1998
07:28:27 -0800
From:
"MICHAEL W.
BONNYCASTLE" <[email protected]>
To:
Donald Shimoda
<[email protected]>
CC:
[email protected]
References:
1 , 2
Hi!
>
> Who's Bob Ross
?
Bob is a veteran SCN auditor and
researcher since 1950. He did the SHSBC when Ron was doing it live at
Saint Hill and was on
staff with the COS until he left in 1983. He is still active in
auditing and researching the subject(polishing, refining, searching)
and lives in Pasadena. I went to see him for a session recently.
> Its always been a consideration and only a consideration but I
didn't realize
it before and now I am
> getting back my consideration control.
Yes, that's great.
It seems really worthwhile to take a moment to
noticing these things in ourselves too.
> Its kind of like being surprised everyday. What will tomorrow bring
? What
will I realize tomorrow?
> Its amazing how rapid a case can
move.
It's really an
adventure, isn't it. There are times when I think 'O.K.,
it's all coming to a plateau now' but I continue on the
next day and
keep gaining, cleaning it up more.
> MICHAEL W. BONNYCASTLE wrote:
>
> > Hi
Donald,
1/27/98
> >
>
>
Yes, Trom is wonderful and I can really look on it as a very
important
>
>
postulate one had made coming to pass(finding it). The other great
thing, as you
>
>
mentioned, it very quickly gave me a strong reality of the FreeZone.
But
>
>
even on staff the idea that the COS was the ONLY place one could
avail
>
>
himself to clearing tech seemed ridiculous and in fact toward the
end
>
>
I was considering how one could be causative over their SCN future
outside
>
>
of staff or COS. What I am finding very interesting about Trom at
this
>
>
point is ones ability to change, examine their basic considerations
has
>
>
increased remarkabley. Specifically, considerations regarding
personal
>
>
causativeness. I can see where training, data, communication would
really
>
>
be fuel for ones growth at this point. I ran across this
interesting
>
>
excerpt from Bob Ross this weekend:
> >
>
>
Two specific assertions of great importance in making conditions
>
>
persist are assertions of Rightness and denials of rightness or
>
>
making things or others wrong, also known as invalidation. Asserting
>
>
or proclaiming Rightness provides justification for having a thought
>
>
and so reduces ones own causativeness by assigning cause to what one
>
>
has considered right instead of to oneself.
>
>
Invalidating a thought or accepting invalidation of a thought
>
>
denies that thought and tries to make it not be, while continuing to
>
>
create it. This empowers the suppression/and or suppressor who
is
>
>
blamed, and assigns causativeness to that supressor.
>
>
Peeling off assertions of rightness and invalidations helps to
>
>
restore personal causativeness and resposibility for and over one's
>
>
own thoughts. One may be invalidated or made wrong by others,
but
>
>
what harms people most is making themselves wrong for whatever
reason.
>
>
Assigning judgments of importance and unimportance are two more
>
>
ways to lessen one's own causativeness, as doing so, assigns cause
to
>
>
other than self.
>
>
At a level of total cause over one's own life, importance and
>
>
unimportance exist only by assignment of the person making the
>
>
judgement and persist until the person changes his mind.
> >
>
>
I liked the emphasis there on the reduction of causativeness. This
>
>
truth, for me, exposes the lie, that the assigning of importance(i.e.
blame,
>
>
regret) is a big trap in itself that undermines personal causation.
>
>
Sounds like you are really having some great wins, that's great, I'd
like
>
>
to hear more. You should have received your tape by now as last
week, did you?
> >
>
>
Best Regards,
> >
>
>
Michael
Subject:
TROM-L
Date:
Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:39:05
-0800
From:
Randy Nicholson
<[email protected]>
To:
"[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Hello
Anthony,
It would be great if you would ..........
Please post these articals to trom-l
Thank you
Randy
Nicholson
[These are now found, in 2016, at
http://articles.ivymag.org/pdfs.html ]
Burtles, Britta ... Dennis
Stephens' "Ron in the 1950's" 25 34
96
Gordon, Frank ... Dennis Stephens'
"Ron in the 50's" (2) 26 32 96
No Games Condition
(picture)
11 01 93
Pearcy, Ralph No-games
conditions
29 33 96
Ross, Bob
TROM
21 30 95
Methven, Judith TROM, Further comment
on
33 45 97
Methven, Judith TROM, Report
on
21 31 95
Gordon, Frank TROM: A
better bridge? 31 29 97
Andersen, Judith TROM, What is
?
26 09 96
Andersen, Judith What is
TROM?
26 09 96
Anderson, Judith Aust & NZ Clearing Conference nov
1996 30 32 97
Anderson, Judith Objectives
(4)
35 42 98
Funch, Flemming TROM: Similarities &
Difference
28 38 96
Dunn, Leonard TROM - book
review
19 27 94
Stephens, Dennis H Reminiscences of Ron -
1
18 25 94
Stephens, Dennis H Reminiscences of Ron -
2
22 09 95
Stephens, Dennis H Reminiscences of Ron -
4
24 08 95
Stephens, Dennis H Ron comes to England 18 25 94
Stephens, Dennis H Ron in the
1950's
22 09 95
Stephens, Dennis H TROM's level 5, A tape of 34 29 97
Stephens, Dennis H TROM, The Creation of 17 23 94
Stephens, Dennis H. More of the
50's
24 08 95
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