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For those that use emeters or have an interest in
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Subject:
TROM Replay 54
Date:
Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:49:06 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
[email protected]
Subject:
TA vs Case State
Date:
Tue, 5 May 1998 13:22:00
+1000
From:
"Merritt, John S"
<[email protected]>
To:
trom
<[email protected]>
CC:
"Wilson, Craig"
<[email protected]>
Interesting points were brought up recently by Rowland Barkley
regarding
an individuals TA reading and a state of NIRVANA.
Briefly I believe he mentioned that under deep meditation the body
skin
resistance would rise enormously. This seems in direct contradiction
to
the observations I have made using a meter over several years.
My belief empirically is that a relaxed state or case
"completion"
results in a low TA reading. This implies a low body resistance.
Highly strung PC's or those with enturbulation seem to have a High
TA
reading (High Resistance). Using an older style meter it has been
said
that you cannot audit when TA is above say 3.5. This seems to be
for
one reason that the Meter is not sensitive enough at this high TA
while
resistance is so high.
Would people like to comment on these observations as I seem to be
missing an important point?.
P.S When doing TROM I did not use a meter as I agree with D.S that
the
person is more finely tuned to detecting change than any meter once
a
certain level is attained.
Regards,
John
Subject:
Date:
Wed, 6 May 1998 21:00:01
+-300
From:
Nori Avidan
<[email protected]>
To:
"'TROM-L'"
<[email protected]>
Hello TROM listers,
I'm willing to start TROM soon.
I would like to know if any of you used an E-meter during the early
levels
of TROM, and specifically the one manufactured by "Ability
Meters
International" . Is it really so good as I heard ?
I'll be glad to know of anyone who posses or encaunterd any written
instructions for using an E-Meter for TROM and is willing to share
them
with me .
Many Thanks,
Nori
Subject:
Re: TA vs Case State
"Merritt, John S"
Date:
Wed, 06 May 1998 23:11:56
+0200
From:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
"Merritt, John S"
<[email protected]>
At 12:38 06-05-98 +1000, you wrote:
>Rowland,
>
>This is extremely insightful. You are quite correct in assuming
that I
>have never had someone in deep meditation on the cans.
>Am I correct in assuming that deep meditation produces a raise
in
>parasympathetic stimulation of the automatic nervous system.
This in
>turn reads as a High TA. My understanding of this is
limited and if
>you could direct me to any writings on this it would be
appreciated.
Read "The Awakened Mind"
by Geoffrey Blundell and Maxwell Cade,
published by Audio Limited, London. They have done extensive research on
this.
>Point 6 is fascinating. This seems to point out that the normal
"OT"
>state contains high suggestibility. I have assumed in the past
that a
>person in this state was almost impervious to hypno suggestion as
they
>are fully at cause. Can you please elaborate on this
point.
On EEGs, OTs are normally the exact
reverse of measured masters in
many different disciplines, referred to in above book. In most systems,
those
regarded as masters have high Alpha brain rhythms, (ability to
visualize
creatively) and low Delta and low Beta. OTs have good control of
Beta
(able to activate logical thinking) extremely low Alpha with no control
of
it, and slow Delta as in the deepest hypnotic trances, at such an
extreme
and uncontrollable level as to exceed all known measurements of any
measured people still able to walk.
They are not at all at cause as they have been conditioned to believe
that
the body is not a valid part of consciousness, but something to
dominate.
The body is much more expert at dominance than the spirit, and it wins
the
game by generating illusions so the spirit gets to pretend it is at
cause.
I am only referring here to a significant number of measured OTs
validated
by "brand X" as high level case completions, and had this
pattern without
exception.
>I will have in the near future the chance to use an EEG under
laboratory
>conditions. I hope to see the direct effect of meditation on
the
>production of Delta and other brain waves. My niece is
conducting
>research into brain wave patterns during cognitive tasks and I am
a
>willing participant.
EEG plus meter will give you the information first hand.
>My own "case" comes to mind when reading your letter as I
have reached a
>stage where I no longer have reads or reaction to almost all
processing.
>I would describe myself as in a mild state of bliss almost
consistently
>with periods of change throughout any given day. It seems that
auditing
>for a gain in abilities as opposed to looking for resolving
inabilities
>is an obvious step. The reaction of the needle you suggest in
relation
>to this leaves me with much to think about.
>
>I completely agree with your sentiments in point 11. I am
quite
>saddened by peoples attempts to "escape" the game or to
reach "NIRVANA".
>The game is the journey. As I see it there is no end
point. The beauty
>in making mistakes or cherishing both variation and likeness at once
is
>enlightening. The concept of NIRVANA as a static condition is
quite
>unappealing to me for anything longer than a rest. I make
no
>pretensions as to understanding the magnitude of life but the
>exploration of this is my highest desire.
One can take Dennis's ideas about an ideal stable high state as
quite
valid, if you consider the context of it being said while approaching
death.
Another important thing about your observations on the meter. You
cannot,
in any research, remove the effect of the observer on the experiment. I
can
take a deep breath, shift into a high state, look at someone on the
meter,
and in seconds it is at 500,000 ohms, If I shift into an activated
state
such as imagining myself as a dog about to jump in the sea, the
other
person on the meter drops in 5 seconds to 5000 ohms.
The above biofeedback book refers to many experiments in which the
client
copied the healer's brain rhythms usually in 15 seconds, even when
the
healer was in another room on another EEG. Therefore powerful effects
of
suggestibility on the part of the auditor to the meter cannot be ruled
out,
including if the auditor is not speaking
>
>Once again, thankyou for your letter, I hope we will speak
again.
>
>John Merritt
>
>
> ----------
>From: Rowland Barkley
>To: Merritt, John S
>Subject: Re: TA vs Case State "Merritt, John S"
>Date: Wednesday, 6 May 1998 1:41AM
>
>
>At 23:28 04-05-98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Sender: [email protected]
>>Received: from newciv.org (server1.newciv.org
[206.83.181.196])
>>
>>Interesting points were brought up recently by Rowland
Barkley
>regarding
>>an individuals TA reading and a state of NIRVANA.
>>Briefly I believe he mentioned that under deep meditation the
body skin
>>resistance would rise enormously. This seems in direct
contradiction
>to
>>the observations I have made using a meter over several
years.
>>
>>My belief empirically is that a relaxed state or case
"completion"
>>results in a low TA reading. This implies a low body
resistance.
>>Highly strung PC's or those with enturbulation seem to have a
High TA
>>reading (High Resistance). Using an older style meter it
has been said
>>that you cannot audit when TA is above say 3.5. This seems
to be for
>>one reason that the Meter is not sensitive enough at this high TA
while
>>resistance is so high.
>>
>>Would people like to comment on these observations as I seem to
be
>>missing an important point?.
>>
>>
>>P.S When doing TROM I did not use a meter as I agree with
D.S that the
>>person is more finely tuned to detecting change than any meter
once a
>>certain level is attained.
>>
>>Regards,
>>John
>
>Dear John,
> You are missing a number of
important points.
>
>1) That the TA position is a reflection, as stated in my earlier
>message,
>of the parasympathetic/sympathetic balance of the autonomic
nervous
>system,
>and that if this balance does not change markedly during the
day,
>insanity
>and death will soon occur.
>
>2) If your observations during the years do not include of people
in
>deep
>meditation, and if you have not even read about the measured readings
of
>people in deep meditation, your observations are about something
else.
>
>3) The meters I make read perfectly in a high TA range. Cult
meters
>drive
>ten times the voltage (5 volts compared to 1/2 volt) through the skin
in
>a
>high range, which prevent them working. Anything above 1 volt
doesn't
>work.
>
>4) A person in high parasympathetic stimulation cannot be
audited,
>because
>they are meditating, very relaxed, or sleepy. This simply means
you
>cannot
>audit a person who is not in some state of participation with
the
>auditing
>situation. "Infinite bliss" and "uptight" are
different forms of
>non-participation in games.
>
>5) Masters I have seen in deep meditation are not participating in
how
>the
>rice is cooked. Their servants in a lower TA range are doing
that.
>
>6) When the meter is at the "correct" range relatively
unchanged
>throughout
>the waking hours, the person is usually in a profound Delta brain
rhythm
>(1/2 to 4 cycles per second), a high state of suggestibility
usually
>found
>in very deep hypnotic somnambulistic states, and the deeper
dream
>states,
>and is the usual state for "OTs."
>
>7) If you mention some counselling item e.g. the word
"mother" and the
>needle drops instantly, that means the word activated the
sympathetic
>nervous system, and the person went into a "fight or flight
response"
>without a real threat present, therefore there is something to
audit.
>Therefore if the person is "uptight", the TA going down is
a good thing.
>If they want to meditate, it going up is a good thing.
>
>
>8) The reason why the Range Arm is called the "tone arm or
TA" by brand
>x,
>is that Hubbard first believed in Creative Processing, and that high
TA
>is
>a high toned person. Now a person in the same state is so creative
they
>don't follow rules like a good moo cow, and get declared
"Suppressive
>(TM)"
>
>9) After breaking with Volney Matheison, Hubbard had someone design
a
>new
>extremely inferior meter, which has never been meaningfully
improved
>right
>up to the $3000 Mark VII. Falls to the right were now preferred
over
>falls
>to the left, the processing was mainly negative gain or deletion
>processes,
>and a low TA was now favoured over the high. The earlier way is
correct
>to
>gain abilities, the later way correct to lose inabilities.
>
>10) The post Matheison cult meter has no electrical drive to the
left,
>so
>is impossible to use for getting "rises", which were the
preferred
>reads.
>The needle weight/spring resonance of 1HZ (in all models over 40
years)
>is
>the only determining factor in the speed of those rises, while the
1952
>Matheison meter is excellent for reading rises. So processing changed
to
>what the new meter could read, which was deletions rather than
>abilities,
>and the deeper hypnotic Delta states.
>
>11) Many in this discussion seem to have some opinion, hallucination,
or
>guess that there must be some singular "ideal" end state,
and get so
>fascinated with a claim that it exists. Maybe it does exist and is
so
>beautiful, and maybe chasing it is some implant or error in design
of
>the
>nervous system. Have you not heard of Life? Did you ever ask the wife
of
>someone making some claim of stable state what they said when the
car
>engine blew up? Do you want to eat nothing for the rest of your life
but
>the one correct food? Do you even have any hard evidence that you
can
>stay
>in one state for long without going insane?
>
>Rowland Barkley
>
>
>* * * Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep TranceForming Shaman * * *
> * * * Email: [email protected] [email protected]
* * *
> * * * Fax: +61-2-9475-0374
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>
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* * * Email: [email protected] [email protected] * * *
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Subject:
Suggestibility and logical
facility
Date:
Thu, 7 May 1998 12:49:46
-0500 (EST)
From:
Roy Eugene Vinner
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Dear Rowland,
As I was rereading your letter, it raised some questions.
> >Point 6 is fascinating. This seems to point out that the
normal "OT"
> >state contains high suggestibility. I have assumed in the
past that a
> >person in this state was almost impervious to hypno suggestion
as they
> >are fully at cause. Can you please elaborate on this
point.
>
> On EEGs, OTs are normally the
exact reverse of measured masters in many
> different disciplines, referred to in above book. In most systems,
those
> regarded as masters have high Alpha brain rhythms, (ability to
visualize
> creatively) and low Delta and low Beta. OTs have good control
of Beta
> (able to activate logical thinking) extremely low Alpha with no
control of
> it, and slow Delta as in the deepest hypnotic trances, at such an
extreme
> and uncontrollable level as to exceed all known measurements of
any
> measured people still able to walk.
Firstly, some time ago Judith mentioned on this list that intuition
was
one of the OT's characteristics. Your answer seems to suggest that to
the
contrary, OTs should possess a keen ability of logical thinking. Is
this
only an apparent contradiction or in fact, both abilities are
enhanced?
Secondly, do you imply that high suggestibility in OTs is produced only
in
Cof$ or uniformly, possibly suggesting an egregious drawback in the
existing tech?
Thank you.
Roy
Subject:
Re:
<Autofrwd>Suggestibility and logical facility
Date:
Thu, 07 May 1998 20:01:40
+0200
From:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
Roy Eugene Vinner
<[email protected]>
At 13:55 07-05-98 -0400, you wrote:
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>
>Dear Rowland,
>
>As I was rereading your letter, it raised some questions.
>> >Point 6 is fascinating. This seems to point out that
the normal "OT"
>> >state contains high suggestibility. I have assumed in
the past that a
>> >person in this state was almost impervious to hypno
suggestion as they
>> >are fully at cause. Can you please elaborate on this
point.
>>
>> On EEGs, OTs are normally the
exact reverse of measured masters in
many
>> different disciplines, referred to in above book. In most
systems, those
>> regarded as masters have high Alpha brain rhythms, (ability to
visualize
>> creatively) and low Delta and low Beta. OTs have good
control of Beta
>> (able to activate logical thinking) extremely low Alpha with no
control of
>> it, and slow Delta as in the deepest hypnotic trances, at such
an extreme
>> and uncontrollable level as to exceed all known measurements of
any
>> measured people still able to walk.
>Firstly, some time ago Judith mentioned on this list that intuition
was
>one of the OT's characteristics. Your answer seems to suggest that to
the
>contrary, OTs should possess a keen ability of logical thinking. Is
this
>only an apparent contradiction or in fact, both abilities are
enhanced?
>Secondly, do you imply that high suggestibility in OTs is produced
only in
>Cof$ or uniformly, possibly suggesting an egregious drawback in
the
>existing tech?
Intuition is a skill that is not addressed on existing OT levels, except
on
the old OT VI that dropped out of use in 1978. Logical focus is a
requirement of the training and processing of these levels.
What I am saying is that in all cases of advanced OTs I have measured,
seen
measured, and heard of being measured on EEG had excellent control
of
rational Beta, badly below average Alpha with no control of it at
all,
suggesting damaged intuition, and Delta way way off the chart of any
person
measured not in deep somnambulistic hypnosis.
Where I have seen an advanced OT do honest work on exercises designed to
be
relevant to developing intuition, they generally can learn them quicker
and
run into less mental barriers than non OTs. This suggests to me that
to
refer to a state which includes "intuition" is like referring
to a state
that includes "piano performance", when both are skills that
can be worked
for easier in some states than others, but neither is part of any
particular state.
Claiming that a state gives a skill reminds me of a piano tuner that
claimed he needed no training as God gave him the gift of tuning
pianos.
He did a very poor job.
There is a dangerous drawback in the existing "OT" tech,
namely, that
personal responsibility for creation of the phenomena is not
addressed.
>Thank you.
>
>Roy
>
* * * Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep TranceForming Shaman * * *
* * * Email: [email protected] [email protected] * * *
* * * Fax: +61-2-9475-0374
http://www.tranceform.org * * *
Subject:
Re:
<Autofrwd>Suggestibility and logical facility
Date:
Mon, 11 May 1998 16:06:17
+0100
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
CC:
Roy Eugene Vinner
<[email protected]>
>>
Thanks for this interesting discussion.
I've added a few comments.
>>As I was rereading your letter, it raised some questions.
>>> >Point 6 is fascinating. This seems to point out
that the normal "OT"
>>> >state contains high suggestibility. I have assumed
in the past that a
>>> >person in this state was almost impervious to hypno
suggestion as they
>>> >are fully at cause. Can you please elaborate on
this point.
>>>
>>> On EEGs, OTs are normally the exact
reverse of measured masters in many
>>> different disciplines, referred to in above book. In most
systems, those
>>> regarded as masters have high Alpha brain rhythms, (ability
to visualize
>>> creatively) and low Delta and low Beta. OTs have good
control of Beta
>>> (able to activate logical thinking) extremely low Alpha with
no control of
>>> it, and slow Delta as in the deepest hypnotic trances, at
such an extreme
>>> and uncontrollable level as to exceed all known measurements
of any
>>> measured people still able to walk.
>>Firstly, some time ago Judith mentioned on this list that
intuition was
>>one of the OT's characteristics. Your answer seems to suggest
that to the
>>contrary, OTs should possess a keen ability of logical thinking.
Is this
>>only an apparent contradiction or in fact, both abilities are
enhanced?
>>Secondly, do you imply that high suggestibility in OTs is
produced only in
>>Cof$ or uniformly, possibly suggesting an egregious drawback in
the
>>existing tech?
>
>Intuition is a skill that is not addressed on existing OT levels,
except on
>the old OT VI that dropped out of use in 1978. Logical focus is
a
>requirement of the training and processing of these levels.
>
That is interesting.
As I make progress, I've come to realise that both logic and
intuition
are most valuable and that it is advantageous to develop both.
If you look at it from a Chinese point of view, logic and intuition
could represent the yang and yin characteristics. Both equally
valuable
- and very valuable to each other because for one to operate well,
it
require the other.
Yang represents the idea of form - something that is firm and takes
a
stance. Yin represents the idea of something that is receptive - it
is
able to receive the form. For one to exist satisfactorily and well - it
needs the other.
What one can't do, the other can - and thus the whole spectrum of life
gets covered.
>What I am saying is that in all cases of advanced OTs I have
measured, seen
>measured, and heard of being measured on EEG had excellent control
of
>rational Beta, badly below average Alpha with no control of it at
all,
>suggesting damaged intuition, and Delta way way off the chart of any
person
>measured not in deep somnambulistic hypnosis.
>
>Where I have seen an advanced OT do honest work on exercises designed
to be
>relevant to developing intuition,
May I add, or developing any desired ability,
> they generally can learn them quicker and
>run into less mental barriers than non OTs. This suggests to me that
to
>refer to a state which includes "intuition" is like
referring to a state
>that includes "piano performance", when both are skills
that can be worked
>for easier in some states than others, but neither is part of
any
>particular state.
>
Agreed wholeheartedly
>Claiming that a state gives a skill reminds me of a piano tuner
that
>claimed he needed no training as God gave him the gift of tuning
pianos.
>He did a very poor job.
>
>There is a dangerous drawback in the existing "OT" tech,
namely, that
>personal responsibility for creation of the phenomena is not
addressed.
How interesting - particularly so because I have found that as my
understanding of responsibility increases, so my abilities and my
ability to learn abilities does exponentially too.
Furthering my understanding of responsibility seems to be the key to
many doors - doors I never knew I even had. This growing
understanding
makes life increasingly wonderful and is giving me certainty in many
areas where I desire it.
Judith
>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Roy
>>
>* * * Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep TranceForming Shaman * * *
> * * * Email: [email protected] [email protected]
* * *
> * * * Fax: +61-2-9475-0374
http://www.tranceform.org * * *
>
>
--
Judith Methven
Subject:
Skin Resistance
Monitoring
Date:
Fri, 8 May 1998 21:56:08
+-300
From:
Nori Avidan
<[email protected]>
To:
"'Rowland Barkley'"
<[email protected]>
CC:
"'TROM-L'"
<[email protected]>
Rowland,
Recently I've read a number of opinions regarding skin resistance in
various
mind states.
Do you think it's possible to measure the daily mean resistance along
a
large period of time (months or years) and by that to actually monitor
the
case gains ?
What would be the expected resistance tendency ?
What instrument should be used for that - would a regular Ohm-Meter
be
enough ?
Are there any other parameters (like electrical capacity for example)
which
are known to be affected by mental mass ?
I believe that if such monitoring is fisible, than it may serve as
an
objective tool in many types of Psycho Analysis & Processings,
both
orthodox and nonorthodox methods.
What do you think ?
Nori
Subject:
Re: Skin Resistance
Monitoring
Date:
Mon, 11 May 1998 08:58:04
+0200
From:
Rowland Barkley
<[email protected]>
To:
Nori Avidan
<[email protected]>
At 21:56 08-05-98 +0000, you wrote:
>Rowland,
>
>Recently I've read a number of opinons regarding skin resistance in
various mind states.
>
>Do you think it's possible to measure the daily mean resistance along
a
large period of time (months or years) and by that to actually monitor
the
case gains ?
>What would be the expected resistance tendency ?
>What instrument should be used for that - would a regular Ohm-Meter
be
enough ?
>
>Are there any other parameters (like electrical capacity for
example)
which are known to be affected by mental mass ?
>
>I believe that if such monitoring is fisible, than it may serve as
an
objective tool in many types of Psycho Analysis & Processings,
both
orthodox and nonorthodox methods.
>What do you think ?
>
>Nori
I don't think there is any useful way to monitor this, as there is
no
correct range. A person when chopping wood would be in a very
different
range than when meditating. If he they spent 3 months composing
music,
there would be a resistance trend influenced by the music. There is
a
popular resistance range for the specific situation of someone involved
in
negative gain processing, and this is the most popular because most
meters
malfunction if the range is high;.
Meters made by Volney Matheison in 1952, and the ones I make now don't
have
this major problem.
The test is simple. Connect a person to the meter, turn the TA right
up,
and measure the voltage. If it goes above 1 volt, it simply won't work
in
a high range, an a mythology has to be developed to explain why the PC
is
the problem. Ability meters are brilliant in "normal" range,
but like Cof$
meters go way up to 6 volts in a high range, so for simple
biological
reasons the meter has to become useless at that range.
Another major reason why resistance trend doesn't say much is that
across
two hands is measuring the average responses of two brain halves, and
if
the person needs processing, the two hemispheres don't work the same,
and
there is often great variation in resistance between the body
sides.
You would need an EEG connected to a computer plus resistance
measurement
for both body sides to give useful information of the sort you want.
You
can buy such equipment for less then the price of a Cof$ meter.
* * * Rowland Anton Barkley the Deep TranceForming Shaman * * *
* * * Email: [email protected] [email protected] * * *
* * * Fax: +61-2-9475-0374
http://www.tranceform.org * * *
Subject:
Achievements
Questionnaire
Date:
Fri, 8 May 1998 23:27:36
+-300
From:
Nori Avidan
<[email protected]>
To:
"'TROM-L'"
<[email protected]>
Dear Trommers,
Recently I saw a lot of interesting traffic regarding Level 5
completion.
Since I'm a beginner in TROM and therefore I also have a lot of
unknown
points regarding the gains which may be achieved using TROM, I had
the
following idea:
What do you think about creating an "Achievements
Questionnaire" that would
be filled by all TROM practitioners that are willing to
participate.
Such a Questionnaire would serve several purposes:
1. Help TROM practitioners by allowing them to know what gains
they are
expected to achieve in the coming levels and therefore enhance their
persistence and avoid premature abandonment.
2. Help establish fertile cooperation among Trommers that are on
the same
level and are therefore confronting similar problems.
3. Provide very precious information to TROM novices and
occasional readers.
This Questionnaire would be updated regularly and will be available on
the
Home Page.
It may be formulated as an Excel Spreadsheet that will be distributed
to
the Trommers, filled out and returned to the administrator which
will
perform some brief calculations summarize all data and update the Global
Form.
Some common data resulting from it may be:
1. The number of active Trommers.
2. The distribution of them among the various levels.
3. The mean amount of time (hours) spent on each level.
4. The ratio between RI and Processing on each level.
5. Achievements per Level - A mark from one to ten to the
following
categories:
5.1 Problems handling
5.2 Happiness
5.3 Nervousness / Piece of mind
5.4 Relationships Handling
5.5 Communication
5.6 Disturbance by desires (Sexual, Material ...)
5.7 Awareness
5.8 Sleep quality
5.9 Health
5.10 Interest in Life
5.11 Participation in Life activities
5.12 Maybe even new abilities like Telephaty or so if they will be
relevant.
In addition, there will be a list of E-Mail addresses per level.
This list will be updated every time when a participant will announce
he
moved from a level to another.
The above are only my modest opinions but I think that the
implementation
and maintenance of such an information service is not impossible and
it
will contribute a lot to Trommers in particular and mankind in
general,
thus helping to expand it's usage and therefore serve Dennis's wish
to
"create a civilization on this planet of which we can be truly
proud".
What do You think ?
Nori.
Subject:
Re: Achievements
Questionnaire
Date:
Sat, 9 May 1998 12:48:08
+1000
From:
"RVH"
<[email protected]>
To:
<[email protected]>
Dear Nori,
Wow, this is pretty ambitious. I would certainly participate if
someone
wanted to organise it. I like your enthusiasm. :-))
Ron Van Haarlem
Nori wrote:
Dear Trommers,
Recently I saw a lot of interesting traffic regarding Level 5
completion.
Since I'm a beginner in TROM and therefore I also have a lot of
unknown
points regarding the gains which may be achieved using TROM, I had
the
following idea:
What do you think about creating an "Achievements
Questionnaire" that would
be filled by all TROM practitioners that are willing to
participate.
Such a Questionnaire would serve several purposes:
1. Help TROM practitioners by allowing them to know what gains they
are
expected to achieve in the coming levels and therefore enhance their
persistence and avoid premature abandonment.
2. Help establish fertile cooperation among Trommers that are on the
same
level and are therefore confronting similar problems.
3. Provide very precious information to TROM novices and occasional
readers.
This Questionnaire would be updated regularly and will be available on
the
Home Page.
It may be formulated as an Excel Spreadsheet that will be distributed to
the
Trommers, filled out and returned to the administrator which will
perform
some brief calculations summarize all data and update the Global
Form.
Some common data resulting from it may be:
1. The number of active Trommers.
2. The distribution of them among the various levels.
3. The mean amount of time (hours) spent on each level.
4. The ratio between RI and Processing on each level.
5. Achievements per Level - A mark from one to ten to the following
categories:
5.1 Problems handling
5.2 Happiness
5.3 Nervousness / Piece of mind
5.4 Relationships Handling
5.5 Communication
5.6 Disturbance by desires (Sexual, Material ...)
5.7 Awareness
5.8 Sleep quality
5.9 Health
5.10 Interest in Life
5.11 Participation in Life activities
5.12 Maybe even new abilities like Telephaty or so if they will be
relevant.
In addition, there will be a list of E-Mail addresses per level.
This list will be updated every time when a participant will announce
he
moved from a level to another.
The above are only my modest opinions but I think that the
implementation
and maintenance of such an information service is not impossible and it
will
contribute a lot to Trommers in particular and mankind in general,
thus
helping to expand it's usage and therefore serve Dennis's wish to
"create a
civilization on this planet of which we can be truly
proud".
What do You think ?
Nori.
Subject:
Ability Meters
Date:
Fri, 8 May 1998 22:53:03
+0100
From:
Judith Methven
<[email protected]>
To:
Nori Avidan
<[email protected]>
CC:
"'TROM-L'"
<[email protected]>
>I would like to know if any of you used an E-meter during the early
levels
of
>TROM, and specifically the one manufactured by "Ability
Meters
International" .
>Is it really so good as I heard ?
>
I can unreservedly recommend Ability Meters. I've had mine about 6
years and it is so easy to use. Its automatic reset means you have
to
pay no attention to the meters operation whilst you are working, as
it
centres itself automatically. Its wonderful.
Judith
--
Judith Methven
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