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David, to process your father, just try and understand why he did what he
did. Why was it survival for him to do that to you? And, why was it
survival what you did?

Cory

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> Indeed, a good idea to take a look at Dianetics once again.
> I've done just that recently with "Dianetics 55!".
>
> It contains very useful data for TROMers. E.g. the whole
> chapter about "Communication Lag" which once and for all should
> clean out any doubts about flattening a process.
>
> Following I insert an excerpt from "DIANETICS 55!" on child-parent
> relationships which might be of particular interest for you David.
>
> <quote>
> .... The communication formula was derived from an observation of
> and working with life. It could be derived only because one had entirely
> abandoned the idea that energy could tell anyone anything. Life is not
> energy. Energy is the by-product of Life.
> [Where else have we heard that? I give a hint: Substitute Life with
> Games and Energy with Mass. - Robin]
> Your recluse is one who has become so thoroughly convinced that
> there are no obtainable answers from anyone that he does no longer
> believe that Life itself exists. He is the only living thing alive, in his
> opinion. Why? Because he is the only thing which communicates. I dare
> say every recluse, every „only one,“ every obsessively or compulsively
> communicating individual has so thoroughly associated with „life units“
> which were so dead that it became „very plain“ that no one else was
> alive. The attitude of a child towards the adult contains the opinion that
> adults have very little Life in them. A child, with his enthusiasms, is in
> his family everywhere surrounded by communication blocks of greater
> or lesser magnitude. His questions do not get answers. The
> communications which are addressed to him are not posed in a way
> which can be duplicated. In other words, the adult does not make
> himself duplicatable. Freud and his confreres were entirely in error in
> believing that the child is totally self-centered. It is not the child who
> is
> totally self-centered. He believes that he is in communication with the
> total world. Investigation of children demonstrates that they are very
> heavy on the First, Second, Third and Fourth Dynamics. The child is so
> convinced of his ability to communicate that he will touch a hot stove.
> Life has no terrors for him. He has not yet learned by experience that
> he cannot communicate. It’s the adult who is drawn back into the „only
> one“ and one believes that the inspiration of this continuous belief on
> the part of a psychologist and psychoanalyst that the child is entirely
> self-centered and living in his own world must be the expression of an
> opinion held by the psychoanalyst and psychologist out of his own
> bank. As one grows one goes less and less into communication with
> the environment until he is at last entirely out of it. Only he is out of
> it
> in the wrong direction – dead.
> Where you see aberration, where you would wish to detect
> aberration, you must look for violations in the communication formula.
> People who consistently and continually violate portions of the
> communication formula can be suspected of being just that dead. The
> further one departs from the communication formula the more death
> exists for them. The more concentrated they become on secrets, the
> more they question intentions, the less they are likely to assume the
> point of view called Cause or the point of view called Effect. ....
> <end of quote>
>
> For those who do not have a copy of "DIANETICS 55!" at hand and
> are interested, you can download it as pdf her:
>
> http://liferepairspecialist.com/ScientologyMaterials/index.
> php?dir=Books%2F&download=1955+DIANETICS+55.pdf
>
> Regards
> Robin
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>> Pete,
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>> I was doing L4  "Prevented from being known"  this morning.  And only saw
>> blackness.
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>> I just happened to come across my dianetics book, after posting that.
>>
>> And briefly  read about "shut up" etc. in engrams.
>>
>> And my dad's additional:  you don't do anything unless I tell you too.
>>
>> It would be a very good idea for everyone to read dianetics again.
>>
>>
>> David
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>>> Hi David
>>>   First you are aware of the problem so you are close to a solution.
>>>
>>> If the motivators do not come up at level 3 then you will surely find
>>> them
>>> at level 4 when you run "Prevented from being known"
>>>
>>> When you get to level 5 you will run levels 7A and 7B
>>> 7A is Prevented from being known where you have lost the battle.
>>> 7B is Prevented from being known where you are still struggling against
>>> the opponent who is preventing you from being known.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Pete McLaughlin
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> Pete,
>>>
>>> One thing I realized is that I can't find motivators.
>>>
>>> My dad beat the idea of fighting back (or developing motivators ) out of
>>> me very early.
>>>
>>> He "nipped it in the bud", as some say.
>>>
>>> I cannot stand up for myself.  I cannot fight. I can't even argue for
>>> myself.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is  what is part of catatonia and cataplexy and catalepsy.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is what Hubbard is talking about in Dianetics when he says the
>>> Spartans would have no use for such an individual in their army.  They
>>> would feed him to the wolves. That is in my words,  because it too much
>>> trouble to look up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any suggestions on how to process that problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David
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