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Thanks for the reply! Comments and Answers for your Post: I don't have any problems with doing private email/chat, I feel very uncomfortable with the compromise of being totally open in a voice chat in real time, especially when I'm not acquainted with the person. You can reply to me at [email protected], I'm very fine with that and I agree that there's not much advantage using the list for a continuing exchange. I still don't comprehend exactly what you mean by 'an overwhelm that is real to me' when you asked me to make a list of such items. You mean things that I currently am afraid of, in a serious manner? If so, I came up with the items below: An real overwhelm to me would have to be anything that would oppose me: by threatening mine or my loved one's life and wellbeing; or by threatening mine or my loved one's basic freedoms, like UN's human rights; or, the same by a threat of not receiving a what I consider a reasonably fair treatment, as far as the game of life goes, by other peers, authorities and the physical universe in general. Marcus 2017-04-15 19:16 GMT-03:00 The Resolution of Mind list < [email protected]>: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Hi Marcus, > > I'm doing fine and I was wondering why you never answered back. > > I have condensed your email into a new thread by only showing what you > have asked currently. My answers are interspersed within your latest email. > > Paul > > On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Paul Tipon wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > How are you doing? > > I must confess I completely missed this reply you gave at the time. It > probably > was because the 'subject title' of your reply was identical to the one I > sent so I filed it thikning it was my own. But, anyways, I luckily found > it while reviewing these answers. I'll just put down your last > responses and talk about how they relate to my ideas. > > Your quotes: > > > "There seems to be a major occlusion that I have yet to see anyone mention. > You are a body, mind and spirit and I want to narrow this by having you > look at your body only because the toughest part to confront is how you > or anyone has been overwhelmed through their body." > > (...) > > "Skipping down to here ... as a body, a beingness in a game with other bodies > and beingnesses, what would be an overwhelm to you and also to others? > I'll start you off by asking ... what about an illness like a common cold > or a knock on the ol' noggin? Can a cold be an overwhelm of degree to > you or someone else? Can you now come up with other overwhelms such as > this? ... Good, name them." > > ------ > > Regarding the first comment, I'll avoid commenting directly on it because > I've yet to get any direct reality on spiritual experiences; but I think I > understand part of what you meant. > > Let me give my definition of a True Overwhelm (you used the term 'overwhelm > of degree'), as far as Level 4 is concerned, which I got from information > scattered throughout TROM: > > One may also break overwhelms into three categories. Those three > categories also have a hierarchy which is Spirit, Mind and body. I will > stay within the physical universe and just discuss those overwhelms which > occur with the body for the time being. > > A True Overwhelm must contain > > 1. A Postulate failure > a) Over something important (Contains an absolute of 'Must' or > 'Must not') > > 2. Adoption of an opposition postulate or of its complementary postulate > a) some part or the whole of this postulate shift goes out of > conscious recall > > 3. I'm supposing by the commands of L4 there's some > distinguishable sensation/emotion/clue specific to it > > Regarding your 'getting a cold' example: > > For a bad cold you would feel incapable of being cause of some sort, because > your body is overwhelming you with pain and tiredness + the threat of > worsening - this would be the postulate failure part - but for it to be a > true overwhelm it would have to cause a shift of beliefs also. I tried to come > up with an example of this below: > > For a normal person in decent tone range you'd need a really bad cold or a > long > sequence of colds to have an overwhelm, like this: > > "For some reason I feel like I can't become an athlete as I always wanted > because > it seems I'm too susceptible to colds; or because being an athlete is > causing me colds and threatening my body's well being" - so I decide I won't > be an athlete anymore. > > For a really low tone person one simple cold could be overwhelming > or perhaps even kill him. > > Another example would be being rejected by a women, 'feeling terrible' and > generalizing that you can't be attractive to women or some type of > women. (not sure whether this is totally a mental overwhelm) > > Are these the type of examples you meant? > > Yes and they are body related. > > And finally, I'm sorry if I'm trampling your thought order but is > what you're trying to say that one should focus on physical-body > overwhelms first and how that feels? And how or through which devices would > a spiritual being be overwhelmed through his body and such? > > Let's look at it this way ... What situations can a body get into that > would overwhelm? Depending on one's susceptibility to what is happening, > about to happen or may happen to his body, several things may or may not > happen. Those actions are: affect on the body, affect on the Mind and then > affect on the Spirit/Thetan. Just as a note, let's keep the Mind as purely > reactive and all on its own. The Mind pulls up a reaction which may or may > not be put into play. What the Engramic Mind does is reactively run a mild > emotional somatic engram or totally go berserk with a stint of > unconsciousness, pain and insane psychotic physical action. The item > causing the overwhelm will be the determinant of the degree of overwhelm > and overwhelm reaction. > > Now we are at where I recall my last unanswered post was. That post asked > for you to come up with some overwhelms that are real to you. > > Also, I saw that you don't chat/email privately so I would like to caution > you to come up with some answers before you get back on this list and > answer. I want only answers from you and not answers that have been > influenced by others emails/comments. Once you have made a list and we > have discussed your items, then you are free to take advice and > considerations or not from outside sources. > > With that I request that those who follow along with this disucussion, > hold your comments until the subject being discussed has come to a > conclusion between myself and Marcus. > > Paul > > 2017-02-10 6:17 GMT-02:00 The Resolution of Mind list <trom at > lists.newciv.org <http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom>> > > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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