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Dear David,
Yes it was us who conversed about Oasphe about a year back on the
timetrack.
(For those reading too: The Oashpe book is kind of contemporary Bible which
covers time almost up to present tense. A volume of 1500+ pages available
as
pdf-download (see link in the APPENDIX)).
David, find my answers interspersed in your message below.
Hello Robin,
RE: was it you who said, took me up on the recommendation on TROM list,
to
read the Oashpe?
Because it was a good alternative or data of comparable magnitude to scn.
Yes and no. It is different from Scientology in that it does not provide
processing technology. However, you can read it as a kind of manual
for managing your path toward enlightenment, ascension, leaving the MEST-
Universe, ... whatever one wants to call it. There are many roads one can
travel. I did not perceive it as a writing of "comparable magnitude".
Rather as a supplementary text which offered a completely different - in
large parts contrary - viewpoint on existence. In that respect it was
valuable and interesting. It can as well be read as pure fantasy. Then it's
entertaining.
And shortly after you said you were glad that you did read it?
Was that you?
Yes, especially the last third of the book was very interesting and
inspiring.
The start was really hard for me. But it would have been even harder to
leave
a book unfinished. To digest the 1500 pages required a significant
investment
of time. I'm glad I did it. What it did case-wise for me is hard to say
because
I did other relevant things at the same time.
Certainly there are a couple of gems in the text. But one must dig through
some wide-winded passages to find them. That in itself is an exercise.
My memory fails me.
If so, being that a year or so has passed,
I am curious to know what you think of it now?
I've looked up the relevant parts of our conversation in my mail-archive
and copied them in below (see APPENDIX) for your reference. What I've
stated a
year ago is still valid.
And how your viewpoint of life and the universe has changed?
This book - as many others - did not produce a radical change in viewpoint.
I'm basically not drawn to monotheism. But it was a good exercise to slip
into
the viewpoint of people who have chosen a path in accordance with Oashpe.
In that sense it is valuable. Because it enables me to better understand
and accept alternative ways without having to change my own convictions and
believes. These things can co-exist comfortably, no need to fight them -
but
still you could - and then, consciously, deciding against it.
A book like Oashpe can improve reality on other's believe systems and thus
help to understand them better. So I would say, it had kind of adjustment
function
for me. Further it confirmed my believe that life is therapeutic in that
it provides
challenges to learn from. Oashpe is, over large portions, a text about
avoidance
and non-avoidance of those challenges and the consequences on has to bear
in case
of non-confront and non-acceptance.
It's metaphoric. Scientology isn't; it's technical, a tool-kit which, when
understood and applied properly, can help to overcome the challenges and
repair
the damage done by a defeat suffered.
What are the most outstanding datums for you?
Since I perceive human history as depicted in Oahspe as metaphoric and
fantasy
(this is not meant in an invalidating sense), it's difficult for me to
point
at specific data. The key message, embedded in a more or less fictional
story,
is: "Lead a decent life dedicated to love and service to others, get rid
of desires
and aversions. And that's the way out of the mire of a bodily existence
into higher
states." We've probably heard that elsewhere in other words. Never the
less it is
good to have a message transported in various forms because people are so
different
in perceptiveness. But you probably see already how uninspired and dull it
appears
when I try to pick out a key datum - in it's isolation. Oahspe should be
read completely
and it will most likely have some effect on the reader in its entirety.
What do you take away most, from the data?
Element - essential in Scientology - which is not present, or at least
understated,
in Oasphe is self-determinism. Still the acknowledgement and acceptance of
responsibility
for the own state of mind and thus state of being is strongly emphasized
in Scientology
and as well in textbooks in the tradition of Oashpe etc. Ron Hubbard is
very explicit in
that regard. In Oashpe the message is conveyed in story form between the
lines.
Since this elements are completely in alignment with my own convictions,
it's a very strong
support to have here a common datum in virtually incompatible
philosophical/religious views.
Sincerely,
David
PS: I did try and do an email search on gmail to try and find that
particular email, and they have now limited the archives only back two
months.
Best wishes,
Robin
APPENDIX:
On 17.09.2016 I posted to you:
(excerpt)
...
Thanks for pointing out the books.
( The download-link to the Oasphe book is:
http://oahspestandardedition.com/OAHSPE_Standard_Edition_for_Screen_Reading.pdf)
...
And later this one:
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:28:38 +0100
From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>
David,
it was you who recommended Oahspe to me a couple of weeks ago.
You said that it changed your life. Made me curious of course.
I'm grateful you did.
Could not manage to finish the book until now (I think I've done
almost up to page 500 of the 1500 pages. It's not really
the kind of material one would call 'easy reading'
Up to around page 100 I was often tempted to abandon it.
But leaving a book unfinished is so unsatisfying and then it
fascinated me more and more as I went on.
The problem I had - and still have - with this kind of material
is, that I can not very well align such data to the technical
stuff I'm so used to and which is much in the tradition of Scientology.
It boils down to aligning a pure religion (especially those mono-
theistic ones with a creator entity) with the views of an application-
oriented religious philosophy which is heavily biased towards
'superiority of the self'. Occasionally it appeared to me that
the latter must be close to blasphemy from an Oahspe viewpoint.
On the other hand we can perceive the positive effects which processing
creates upon us. Never the less, your observation that "real life"
is still restimualtive even when you have wins in therapy is real to me.
In that respect you're most likely correct in stating that Oahspe
is balancing scientology.
I'm trying to resolving the seeming contradictions like that:
Books like Oahspe, and similar material, suggest to live your life
in a certain manner to ascend to higher states of beingness, to
more fulfillment, completeness, happiness, ...
While processing-tech is a tool which can support and accelerate
ones progress along that way. But the mere tool itself will do
nothing for us. One must some way or other prove under real-life
conditions its effectiveness. All tech finally pertains to life
itself.
It becomes plausible why some "bridges" emphasize a two - or even
three - lane approach. Those are: Processing - Study and Training -
and last but not least: Application in life.
(The order is arbitrary; none of those aspect has seniority - as
far as I see it.)
<snip>
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