Dave wrote:
DAVEH: Note, these are some of my replies from last Spring, when my ISP was not allowing me to post to TT. I responded, but never posted them.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
******************Michael Douglas wrote:
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> > > DAVEH: When we reach our ultimate destiny......heaven.......then> > salvation
> > > WILL BE complete.
Michael D: You do greatly err Dave H, heaven is not our ultimate destiny! what source are you using to assert this?
3/30--DAVEH: Hmmmmm.......It ain't?!?!?! If not, what is your ultimate goal, Michael??? I assumed that was what most Christians aspire to. Is that not the case. Is there something beyond that to which you believe is your "ultimate destiny"???> > >> I must say it is not wise to contradict the Bible.
> > > DAVEH: Not at all, Glenn......it just contradicts YOUR
> > understanding of
> > > the Bible.
> > > >> If this is the last post I ever write (and I die immediately),
> > you can
> > >> be sure I will be in heaven.
> > > DAVEH: I disagree. You will be in the spirit world, as the
> > Bible says. Where in the Bible does it say that Born-again believers will be in the spirit world as opposed to heaven upon death?
3/30--DAVEH: I would think Jesus' words to the thief on the cross qualify.......".....To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Lk 23:43)
........unless you think the thief was not a "Born-again believer".
> > > >> How can I be sure?
> > > DAVEH: Where does the Bible say that you will immediately be in
> > heaven at
> > > the time of your death? As Jesus pointed out to the thief, he
> > would be in
> > > paradise (the spirit world) at the time of his death. Jesus did
> > not ascend
> > > unto his Father until some time later. I've covered this before,
> > > Glenn.....Michael D: Unfortunately, what you have covered would be inaccurate if it says that true believers don't go to heaven when we die.
3/30--DAVEH: Eventually that is where "true believers" go.
If so, Jesus is not now in heaven. Paul says, he would rather leave the Phillipians and go to be with the Lord, but for their sake he would stay(Phil 1:22-24).
3/30--DAVEH: You are assuming that he was thinking about being with Jesus in heaven. Is it not possible that he was referring to preaching with Jesus in the spirit world as he did in 1Pet 3:18-19?
Dave Hansen
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