So far I do not have a continuous historical track for any single name. Their name seems to change throughout that period, primarily names given them by the church of Rome, which makes it hard to track a single group. At various times they have been called Ana-baptists, and Waldenses, and the Baptists of today claim to be the modern end of that line. I have even read one catholic website that claims that the Waldenses were a spinoff from the RCC, sort of a reformed "pre-reformation" group, but many other articles disagree, and offer evidence that it was the group that became the Waldenses that provided many of the ideas for the reformation, like sola scriptura, sola fide, and priesthood of believers. Perhaps we have some Christian historians in TT that would like to correct/supplement what I have read so far.
Perry
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Perry, I'd be interested in what you have learned about that group. What are
they called? Izzy
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Izzy,
I searched and searched and cannot find the original article. It was one
I clicked on from either WND, newsmax, aol or yahoo, or something like that.
It was not a freethinker or atheist article, of which there are several on
the net, but appeared to be a well written unbiased article. Sorry.
I do not have the same experience of Catholics as you have. But, just
recently I have been examining the history of the early church, trying to
determine if there is a remnant of believers that came through he dark and
middle ages, apart from the church of Rome, and I have found several
references to a group that, although they are grouped with the protestant
church today, are not protestants, in that they existed before the church of
Rome, and came throught the dark and middle ages, to our present day. In my
readings I found a reference that said an estimated 50 million of these
Christians were martyred throughout the dark and middle ages because they
refused to join the RCC.
Perry
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>Perry,
>
>I'd like to read your article. I always thought of her as a beautiful
>exception within Catholicism. I don't doubt there are MANY saved ones
>within that faith, but they are seemingly few and far between. There is
>so much tradition and manmade doctrine confusing the issues that it
>takes a rare person to weed through it all to the real Christ.
>
>Mostly I find it to be a religion of hypocrisy, lies, and adultery. I
>saw on Dateline last night that the big American traitor Robert Hanson
>was a Catholic, and his Catholicism was apparently a big issue to him.
>We all know the news about priests lately. If you haven't read Foxe's
>Book of Martyrs, that's a real eye-opener, as most Christian martyrs
>have died at the hands of Catholics. (And don't even think about getting
>me started on my experiences closer to home!)
>
>Here's a real shocker for you if you can tolerate the length of the
>article: http://www.truthontheweb.org/. Click on "The Jesuit Connection
>to the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln".
>
>Izzy
>
>
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>Actually, I read an aticle about Mother Teresa, and her life has
>evidently
>not been one of strong faith. Although she was VERY compassionate, and
>didicated her life to the unfortunate, her spiritual life appears to
>have
>been very shakey and filled with doubt.
>
>
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> >DAVEH: Just out of curiosity Izzy, how would you categorize Mother
> >Theresa?
> >
> >ShieldsFamily wrote:
> >
> > > Some of us don't think that Catholics are usually Christians. Seems
> > > like a rarity to me. Usually they are adulterers and/or liars in my
> > > experience. Izzy
> > >
>
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