RE: [TruthTalk] For the Record II

[ShieldsFamily]

Michael D,   FYI, I was celebrating Sabbath observance long before I ever heard of Marlin (if I’d heard of Chris first that would have been a huge deterrent! He couldn’t convince me to drink water if I was dying of thirst.).  As I’ve explained before, I was convicted by the HS to do it, and just began doing it; not knowing that any other Believers did the same.    I don’t need you to let me know that I am free to keep the Sabbath—I already knew that. All you (and your ilk) keep trying to do is convince me that I am “under” the Law.  All I keep trying to tell you is that we are ALL to obey the Law. But now it should be written in our Hearts, not just on a piece of paper, so we should obey it all the more. Too many “Christians” today routinely lie, cheat, steal, commit adultery, etc, etc, etc, and think it’s okay because “I’m dead to the Law!”  Truth is, they are just dead period.   Izzy     -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of michael douglas Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] For the Record II      ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What do you mean by “required”? If you mean “Will you go to hell if you don’t?”, the answer is not any more than if you violate any other Commandment.    Do you mean, “Does God want you to do this?”—the answer is yes, if the 4th Commandment still means anything at all today (as He never rescinded it; nor the others).   Michael D: That's if you listen to Marlin and Chris, not if you listen to Paul and the other apostles and the Church at Jerusalem. I encourage you Izzy to read Acts 15 carefully, without the Chris et al spin. Read what Peter and James say, plese. It is so clear if we were to take God at His word, and not peoples superimposed interpretation of it.   When James says that the Holy Ghost said not to put the law on the Gentiles, would you say that the law is synonymous with circumcision, or that the law refers to the requirements of all that God commanded under the Old covenant?   Observe closely, that the Pharisees in Acts 15, requiores them to be circumcised, and to keep the law of Moses, so the whole law was in focus here. Those who want to limit the discussion to circumcision, are not reading the text carefully, truly blinded, or are being intellectually dishonest. That's why James said that those who were requiring the law for the Gentiles, had no such commandment from the apostles and elders at Jerusalem. And the Holy Ghost forbad it.   Those who say it's for young believers, are reading things into the passage that aren't there. I challenge anyone to show me scriptural reference where there is an instruction to put the Gentiles under the law when they are mature in the Lord, or after some time of walking with Jesus.   Remember, Paul said the law was given till the seed (Jesus) should come, and that now that we have come to Jesus, we are no longer under a school master. Paul said, Cast out the bond woman and her son. How much plainer must God make the scriptures for us. We must reconcile our beliefs to the scripture, and not the scripture to our beliefs. Doing the latter is what is causing Marlin, Chris et al, to come up with so many spurious attempts at explanations for the obvious statements of the scripture.   The issue that they, and you, need to face, is if the law is ended at Jesus, what do we do with the need for obedience? (Remember, Paul said it was not made for a righteous man....) The answer is simple, righteousness is now revealed by fatit which worketh by love. See it in Galatians 5. It's all that is required. Paul said, if we walk in love joy peace etc (the fruits of the Spirit) then against such there is no law.       Do you mean, “Will you be blessed for being obedient on this?”—the answer is yes.  “And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you will obey the Lord your God.” (Deut. 28:2)   Paul says you're free to keep the sabbath if you wish or not to if you don't wish. You receive no special blessing above a believer who does not.   Izzy     With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs