Perry,

How fun! I love your stories; would like to hear more details.  I think that
hypnosis is based on either a demonic element, in which case we should not
even get any closer to it than to verify that fact; or else the mind has
some truly phenomenal areas that we don't even come CLOSE to comprehending!
Or both. Either way, I've always been interested in knowing which (or both),
but would rather err on the side of avoidance.  It's kind of like playing
with fire if you are unsure what's "in there".

Talk about ghost stories: the speaker, Ann, (and an acquaintance of mine) at
our last quilt guild meeting was talking about an entirely different
subject, until she opened the floor to questions.  One of the women said,
"Tell us one of the Main Street ghost stories." She was quite surprised at
the question, but did comply. (Main Street is an historic street in St.
Charles, near here where I grew up and where her quilt shop is located.
Dates back to Lewis & Clark, and was the location of Missouri's first
capitol.)

So she told the story about "Annie", a 6 year old who had died in a fire in
the building where her button shop used to be located. Annie took a liking
to playing with a toy sewing machine that Ann used as a display in the front
window of the shop.  No matter how the display items were arranged around
the sewing machine, the women working in the shop would find them all moved
around by the next morning. It got so bad that she couldn't keep anyone to
clean the shop after hours, things moved around so much. Ann said that one
evening she placed a pattern in place on a shelf, turned around, and the
pattern came up over her head and landed on the floor in front of her.
Apparently Annie didn't want it there!

St. Louis is so full of old houses and buildings, it is also full of ghost
stories. I find them to be very entertaining. You can go on tours of some of
the old beer baron's homes which are VERY haunted to this day.  I won't go
that far, because I do think that ghosts are very likely not just the dead
souls of lost folks hanging around, but might well be demons.  I'd really
like to know if they are lost souls, because that means that the dead (or at
least the lost dead) don't always go straight to their "eternal reward" What
do you all think on TT? And we are definitely instructed in the Word not to
try to contact the dead? But are there any good ghost stories out there? 

It's weird, but as I was typing this last paragraph, my computer did a very
weird thing--time to go!!!

Izzy

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] hypnotism

Izzy,

About 25 years ago I developed an interest in hypnosis. I read many books on

it. I have been hypnotised and have hypnotized, and although there are some 
strange aspects to it, I was not convinced that it opens one up to evil 
spirits. I was not a believer at the time, so that aspect of it was not in 
the forefront of my experimentation. Neither me nor other participants ever 
appeared to be possessed, and none of it ever seemed "evil". I looked at it 
as just a strange phenomenon of the mind.

I do not dabble in it any more (and haven't since about 1985). I have no 
reason to. In fact, when I first believed, all of my interests in that type 
of stuff disappeared. Once I found Christ, I no longer had any reason to 
seek anything else. Many other beliefs, attitudes, and interests I once held

changed almost immediately, too, but that is another topic.

The idea about demonic possession, I think, comes into play because many 
beleive that being in such an "altered state of consciousness" opens one up 
to demonic possession. It may open one up, but I think there is a lot more 
to it than that. I believe that one must be willing and dabbling in the 
occult, or inviting possession in some way in order for a possession to 
occur.

I played with a Ouija board, too, when I was a kid. I never saw it move on 
it's own, but eventually began to think it was a trick to be manipulated, so

used to push it around and impress my kid friends. In fact, my original 
Ouija board is still at my Mother's house. I debated selling it on eBay, but

decided not to, because that might invite someone to begin to dabble in the 
occult.

I also had a magic 8-ball, but never ever thought it gave anything other 
than random answers, and viewed it as the toy it was.

Hey, what were we being taught in the 60's anyway? My mother bought both of 
these toys for me (not at my request, but as Christmas or birthday gifts. 
She thought they were just toys, too, not to be taken seriously. She was a 
believer, and the organist at church. They just weren't talking about those 
things in the Methodist church in the 60's.

So, my bottom line is that playing with these toys is not inherently 
dangerous in itself if used with skepticism. But, if one is trying to use 
them as devices for truly contacting spirits, they just might get what they 
want! In fact, a close friend of mine in college (coincidentally, the son of

a Lutheran minister), and an agnostic as I was in the 70's, told me a few 
years after college that he had transitioned from agnostic to Christian as a

result of contacting spirits via the Ouija board. Not only is his story of 
contqacting spirits spooky, but his version of the spirit world was 
collaborated by a guy I heard on a radio talk show 8 years later (yet 
another topic for another night).

Wow, not only does this bring back memories, but is almost like telling 
ghost stories around the campfire (one of my designated jobs when I was a 
cubscout den leader..."It was a dark and stormy night...").

Perry


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>Subject: [TruthTalk] hypnotism
>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:52:58 -0600
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>
>Here's a NEW topic: I hope somebody even cares.  I saw a program on TV 
>today
>about a hypnotist, and it got me to wondering about it. I've read in the
>past that hypnotism is a demonic thing and Christians should never do it,
>etc. I wonder what really is the truth about it. It is truly spooky. Any
>ideas? Izzy
>


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