� Charles Perry Locke wrote: > >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Charles Perry Locke wrote: > > > > > As for the nature of the Godhead, it is a paradox which requires a
> > > resolution. LDS resolve it with multiple gods, Protestants resolve it > >with the Trinity Doctrine. Protestants do not use the multiple gods doctrine > > > because of the belief that there is only one God. > > > >DAVEH:� That's what I'm so curious about, Perry.� To me the Bible seems to > >be so plain about there being more than one God, but that one is to worship > only > >one God. > > We have been over the Trinity more than once already...continuing to debate > it will solve nothing. DAVEH:� I agree that neither of us will probably change our views on the T-Doctrine.� But I'm very curious as to why Protestants don't recognize the Bible speaks of plural Gods.� At least to me that seems pretty plainly stated in the Bible.� But if you don't want to discuss it, that's OK. > � But, I assure > >you........I'm > >truly not like that. > > I see an inconsitency between your stated goals and your actions. Since you > can't, I can only assume that this inconsistency is ingrained in your > character. DAVEH:� Perhaps so.� But when I state my goals and they are misinterpreted and misstated by some TTers (viz., Izzy who today stated that I am in TT to seek truth), then I have to wonder if you see a true inconsistency, or a perceived inconsistency. > > > > I just want to know > > > how you work. Dave. > > > >DAVEH:� I'd say, 'just ask'.......but I don't think you'd believe me, > >Perry. > > I have essentially asked you, and I have seen an inconsitency in your > response, so I don't think I can trust this aspect of your character. DAVEH:� OK Perry.....I've been here well over 3 years and do not believe I am inconsistent at all.� Would you (or any other TTer) specifically point out any inconsistencies in what I've said.� I've always stated my LDS biases, and that I am not in TT to learn truth.� So where are the inconsistencies? > > > > > Not Mormons. Dave. Why? I guess in this instance my need > > > to resolve dissonance is getting the best of me. > > > >DAVEH:�� LOL.....Sounds like a personal problem, Perry!!!�� :-) > > Hey, I am beginning to think it is...I deal well with cognitive dissonance > when it can be resolved, but when it can't it bothers me to no end! DAVEH:� <VBG>� Well now Perry.....you are giving me the chuckles!�� I'm amused that an old Mormon Boy can so easily upset a staunch Protestant such as yourself!� LOL > > Unfortunately, many TTers seem to > >have the same reaction as my non-LDS friends.� They view each question with > >suspicion, believing I've got ulterior motives. > > Well, based on the inconsistencies DAVEH:� Until you specifically point them out, I'll consider them as perceived inconsistencies. > I have seen, that would appear to be the > case...don't try to analyze it...we have already established that you cannot > see the inconsistency. DAVEH:� Of course I can't see them, if they are based on misperceptions like Izzy's assumption that I am in TT to seek truth. > >��� As I ponder this, I wonder if the problem isn't so much mine, as it is > >a > >result of Protestantism or anti-Mormon sentiment that has soured > >Protestants > >against us (LDS).� Maybe Protestants have been brainwashed to think > >Mormonism is > >a cult that is evil and they should not associate with it or members of the > >LDS > >Church.� It seems the negative books I've read preach that sermon.� And, > >I've > >heard it preached on the radio.� Do you feel there's any substance to my > >thinking on that, Perry? > > David, you must face the fact that there are very real differences between > Christians and the Mormons...we cannot pretend that there aren't. DAVEH:� Who's pretending there aren't any very real differences?� Is that another of your misperceptions about me, Perry? > And, when > Protestants examine the differences, they find those beliefs detestable. > Some of the Mormon beliefs and practices would be considered heresy, even > evil, if a Christian espoused them. Because you have been brought up with > those beliefs, they do not seem strange to you...but since I wasn't, they > are very strange to me. DAVEH:� I fully understand that.� To illustrate, let me use the example of the T-Doctrine again.� Due to my LDS bias that has not subscribed to the T-D, when I read the Bible and it speaks of multiple Gods I do not have a problem with thinking that way.� And when I see the Israelites being commanded that there is only one God, I can see why the Lord had to preach that to them.� It obviously was to help them remember to worship their God rather than to lose sight of him.� Yet the plurality of Gods in the Bible create a problem for Protestants that can only be resolved by adding a paradox to negate the contradiction.� To me that seems like bad theology.� Yet for somebody like yourself who was brought up feeling comfortable with mysterious paradoxes, it is perfectly acceptable theology.�� Now, here's the part that intrigues me.�� Paul tells the Primitive Christians that the gospel answers the mysteries.� So if you or any other TTers who believe as you do can explain to me why that isn't a major contradiction in your theological realm, I'd appreciate your thoughts. ��� FWIW......if it helps you understand how I work, it is stuff like that that piques my curiosity, Perry.� (And I don't know why I'm like that....I guess it's a mystery!)�� <VBG> > I have attended meetings specifically for 1) revealing the truth about what > Mormons believe (much of which I have asked Missionaries, and either they > want to keep it a secret, or do not themselves know about these beliefs, > although I often give them LDS references to them), and 2) teaching people > how to evangelize Mormons. DAVEH:� I don't recall if you have answered this before, Perry.....but, have you attended any LDS meetings?� And a related question....do you have any LDS personal friends?� Just curious. > I haver a personal friend who, with his wife, > wrote the book "The Cultist at Your Door" (Bob and Gretchen Passentino), > which is how to evangelize cultist door-knockers, among which they count the > Mormons. They sometimes appear as guests on the Bible Answer Man, a show > aired from the Christian Research Institute [http://www.equip.org], founded > by the late Walter Martin (a name with which you are probably familiar if > you have read any anti-Mormon literature), located in Southern California (I > have been in their offices before to pick up some literature on some topic I > was researching once...the Masons, I think it was.) > > So, yes, many protestant churches teach that Mormonism is a cult. And many > do not. > > Because you were brought up believing that the BoM, PoGP, and BoA are > inspired works, you do not seriously question them. At least not > academically. In fact, neither do Nibley or Reynolds...they are apologists, > their common goal is to weave connections between the LDS books and the > Biblical world. They are very inventive, just not very convincing. The > connections they make are like gossamer threads that break under the least > inspection. DAVEH:� You didn't ask any questions, so I won't respond to much of what you explained above.�� However, let me go off on a tangent to conclude this. 1)�� Do you think Mormons should be allowed on TT and to post freely here? 2)�� Why do you feel the need to evangelize Mormons?� (And a related question......do you feel compelled to do evangelize non-Mormons?) 3)�� Do I really offend you? 4)�� Do you simply dislike the way I present myself, or are you expecting me to do something out of character one of these days? 5)�� Can you have respect for my differing beliefs though you disagree with them? 6)�� What would you like me to do differently? ��� If you don't want to answer any/all of my questions, that's OK Perry.� I'm just trying to understand you a bit better. > Perry � � -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... 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