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   On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:17:21 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I am, as a Believer, part of spiritual Israel. Apparently John Wesley thought it isn't possible, while bogged down in legalism like you are, Iz, to belong to 'spiritual Israel' (and if that's Abe's 'offspring' in his theology. I'd agree with him). But, as a consolation, since DavidM thinks Wesley means it's ok getting bogged down in [spiritual] legalism, you and Slade could wise up to DavidMs twist, partic if you ain't "gentile (ie: "heathen, pagan") and don't wish to be considered as [such]",  and call yourselves Methodists rather than Jews or Gentiles, which would DavidM could really appreciate, I think. (FTR, DaveH and Wesley would rather that you call yourself somethin' else, I suspect
DAVEH:  ????   Huh, g?  Why would I not accept Izzy as a Believer?  Perhaps I'm missing something though, as I haven't been following that thread.
, e.g. Mormons or Catholics--actually, I'll bet DrGT'll let you be CoC if you wannabe:)

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