> From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Judy:
> I do not want to walk in the shoes of a reprobate. I do not even want to
> think for one moment that sex with another man would be anything but
> totally disgusting to God, and to me. He has not commanded me to
> understand them, He has commanded me to let them pile up their sins until
> He pulls their plug. I intend to do as God says.
Dean writes: Terry I apologize to this list for not responding sooner but
my time is limited-I agree
with your accessment of this perversion, but would like to add that not
all sodomites are reprobated.
Jesus can also liberate this type of sinner as His grace is more than
enough to cover even this sin.
The difference in our view seem to reach into the area of legalism which
bound the Priest and the Levite while
on the road to Jericho in Luke 10:25-37. Those whom wanted to keep the law
could would even help this poor man that fell among thieves. Yet Jesus
tells of a gentile who showed love for this man. The Priest couldn't help
this man probably because he perceived his as being dead and by law had to
keep a distance so he walked on the far side of the road. The Levite was
forbidding to help a dog so he could help either and also passed by-but
the Samaritan had compassion and did help.In leu of this I have compassion
for the sodomite who is headed for a devils hell . For me this is the
spirit of Christ's teachings-For love conquers all.Yes- there is no doubt
that there are reprobate in the groups that we preach to but there are also
future St, Paul's (who was even a murder at one time) and even a few future
Peters in the mist of that same group.For me it helps to remember that the
sword-which is the word of God-cuts both ways. It will help those intended
and it will add to the sins of those God wants to bring to a full measure.
I don't think it is our choice whom God helps or hinders-we are just
messengers putting the word out-as commanded.We are not to decide who
deserves help or who doesn't. Yes,there are time when God's spirit tells me
to walk away and I do-but recently at Southern Decadence in New Orleans I
viewed a sodomite at the back of the crowd clinging to a light poles with
his head down crying like a baby-due to what I perceived to be
conviction-this is why I go there- in part-The other part has to do with
pressing evil back as far as I possibly can-as God allows me to do so. We
are told to resist evil-this is one way to do so. Just my opinion of course.
>
> This is not easy to do. We have one in our family, a nephew. He is that
> way by choice. Had he been raised differently, he might not have made
> that choice, but the choice was still a choice, and he made it. It is
> his lifestyle and he will very likely die and go to Hell.
Dean writes:
Terry-My son is a bisexual which is the same as a Sodomite-He was raised
in Church (age 9-14) for part of his life ( he had also regarded me as a
lost man and I believe is suffering for my sins that I brought into our
home-drinking,violence..etc)-with much bible study at home but he fell to
an evil spirit-at age 14 (he is 21 now). I have no dealings with my son but
will fight against the spirit that has enslaved him-My prayer is that God
will liberate him and I know he will -in his time.I would ask this group to
pray for him. This will happen to all those that lose fear of God.
>
> You might want to re-examine your response because we are not talking
> about walking in the way of the world. We are talking about lusting
> after the flesh, homosexual and bi-sexual perversion. People that God
> has given over to their lusts. To them, an abomination is not a sin.
> Terry
Dean writes:
Yes-giving over to the lusts of the flesh but not all giving over to
reprobation.
>
> Hi Terry:
> True, but we need to remember that "there, but for the grace of God go I"
> - that kind of sin has not been my problem but I have others and then we
> have the iniquities passed down generationally.
>
> Remember God is merciful and not willing for any to perish. We may hate
> what they do but we must reach out to the person whenever possible in
> love rather than rejection because they know when we are rejecting and
> disrespecting them.
> Jesus hated sin but loved the sinner - why can't we?
Dean writes:
Judy, while I believe one should have compassion on the sinner-God doesn't
just put the sin into hell-he puts the sinner there also. He will grind
them to power and literally rip them apart on that day. In regards to your
statement of "God hated the sin but loved the sinner"-I feel that this type
of teaching is from the devil himself who uses it to breed sodomites and
all manner of sinners unto the very destruction of the church itself-but
God will keep his number. The people on the street use this wrong doctrine
to justify their sins as believing they are a part of the church-but in
fact this is the apostate church.
I John 2 :4 He that saith,I know him,and keepeth not his commandments,is a
liar,and the truth is not in him.
Sin will put one into hell-regardless of their claim. The early scholars
Jonathan Edwards,Adam Clark.John Wesley...etc-Pleaded with God daily not to
remove His Spirit from them as they knew that one would fall without this
Spirit. They acknowledged their dependence on God and how short they were
when compared to true perfection-and this is coming from men of the belief
that one doesn't have to sin daily.This is a lot different from our modern
day teachings of"You are going to sin daily but God will love you anyway.
Habitual sin is not in the bible.One shouldn't ever separate the sin from
the sinner-Only Jesus can do this upon salvation-after that there is a
price to pay as God chooses to exact- even to the destruction of the soul.
I hope this reply doesn't offend you sister for you are right about many
aspects of God's word-It's just that this is dangerous ground and I have
seen it's fruit-I suggest you read the sermon by Jonathan Edwards entitled
"Sinner in the hands of an angry God" It can be found on the web free for
downloading just do a search.
>
> Grace and Peace,
> Judy
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