Judy wrote: > Yes I hear what you are saying.... but we should see > the Spirit of Christ in action.
Of course, including the Spirit of Christ going into the Temple and chasing out those who were defiling it. We should see this same zeal in action. Judy wrote: Judy wrote: > What about the side that lays down their life in love. > That's the side I believe reaches the sin-sick, lonely, > rejected. I've been reading Hubert Lindsey's book and > this is how he ministered. He lived among the people, > washed the feet of one of his hecklers when challenged > and was available by telephone in time of emergency. > The students grew to respect him because they knew he > was genuine. Well, if you are reading Holy Hubert's book, then you should be able to get the inside scoop about what we are talking about. Hubert was the grandfather of all modern day street preachers. I do not hold a candle next to Hubert. Hubert so angered sinners that he was beat up, stabbed, shot about five different times, imprisoned over 100 times, etc. When the communists held rallies of 35,000 people, Hubert would walk up on the platform, take the microphone without invitation and take over the rally. If he was alive today, I have no doubt he would likewise do so with the homosexual rallies. As for Hubert's heart of love for the sinner, yes, we agree and try to walk in that same spirit. My phone number is always available and often I take inquisitors out to eat or go have private chats with them, or bring them to church, etc. While some students, especially the homosexual, are stirred up with hatred, others see that our love is genuine and respond to it. At the University of South Florida, there was a campus organization started by the students directly as a result of the open air preaching that we did there. I think that indicates positive response. David Miller wrote: >> When we stand up to that homosexual agenda and declare >> how harmful homosexuality is to society, we take away >> this cloak of respectability and reveal homosexuality >> for what it is from the eyes of a Holy God. Judy wrote: > It's much better to hold up the light. That's what > Hubert did. He held up God's standard, speaking of > normal marriage and God's love between male and female > to people on a campus where immorality was fast taking > hold. Yes, this is what I mean by saying that we expose homosexuality. We don't just point out the wrong, but we point out how it perverts God's ordained plan of marriage. I generally teach not only on the sanctity of marriage, but on why God created gender to begin with. Of course, I also connect how promiscuous sexual relations and homosexuality violate this order of God. Judy wrote: > There is a difference between condemnation and > conviction. One is from the enemy and the other > is from the Lord. The Scriptures teach that condemnation comes from the law. The devil doesn't condemn anyone, nor does he want to condemn anyone. He has tricked the churches with this false doctrine for many years now. It is repeated and repeated but never examined in the light of Scripture. People relate to it because nobody wants to be condemned. Nobody likes condemnation. Nevertheless, the Bible teaches that without the law, nobody was condemned, yet they still suffered from the penalty of sin, which was death. When the law came, then condemnation came. So condemnation comes not from the enemy, but from the law, and the law comes from God who is not our enemy. Judy wrote: > David, all I know is that when I was out there - far > away from God - I used to travel to work on a train > that went by a billboard with John 3:16 on it and > that billboard touched my heart more than any nut out > there with a megaphone telling me that I was under > condemnation and headed for hell. It would not surprise me if that billboard was put there by Bible Jim Webber or someone like him. They started the John 3:16 banners at the football games and continue to do it, having to evade police each time they do. Also, let me say that I was not reached by such methods, but I have reaped many people who were touched by it. One young man I worked with when I was a teenager believed upon Christ and was baptized. When I spoke to him of Holy Hubert Lindsey, a man I had just met just the year before, he tells me that he heard Hubert preach at a university in Louisiana just the year before. The message prepared the ground so that this young man would believe upon Christ as the Word of God took root in his heart. I could tell you all kinds of stories about how the confrontational approach to evangelism has caused sinners to break down and cry like a baby right there on the spot, and of others who were agitated with questions that caused them to come to Bible Studies. Even the atheists who are not ready to believe, invite us to debate them at their large meetings on campus. I remember going there and they had this huge stack of books ready to deal with our "ignorant" position. When the meeting was over, they had not opened a single one and marvelled about how our answers were nothing like what they were expecting. Nobody in that meeting gave their heart to Christ that day, but they were all led to the Lord. I attended that same campus for five years before ever street preaching and never had such doors of opportunity open to me. We did things only in the ways that the church taught us, having Bible studies and sharing one on one. After I started street preaching, not only were the Atheists inviting us to debate their state director, but the professors were calling me up and inviting me to teach their sociology class or a whole period. I taught biology at the university, but I never had a platform to talk for a whole period on God, ministering to the poor, and preaching. Oh yeah, the communists and socialists invited me to speak at their meetings too. I cannot find words to describe the doors of opportunity that open up when we preach publicly and unashamedly Jesus Christ. Judy wrote: > I agree it is the sin within man that has to go, > but this doesn't happen immediately even when one > does receive Christ. I disagree. The power of the gospel sets men free right away. That has been my experience and testimony. When a person lives by the law, his sanctification is progressive, but when one believes the gospel, his sanctification is immediate and effective, because it is not his righteousness, but the righteousness of Christ that now clothes him. Judy wrote: > We Christians who are in the process of working out > our own salvation with fear and trembling are the last > ones who should stand in the seat of the scornful > toward the ignorant. Preaching repentance is not sitting in the seat of the scornful. I agree with you that street preachers should not be scornful. Believe me, the sinners are scornful enough that preachers don't need to add to it. As for working out our salvation, that does not mean working on getting sin out of our lives. Jesus takes care of the sin. We are to work on keeping that course and staying in that obedience because there are many snares that the devil would set up to cause us to stumble and fall back into sin. David Miller wrote: >> "For I was alive without the law once: but when the >> commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the >> commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to >> be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, >> deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is >> holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. >> Was then that which is good made death unto me? God >> forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working >> death in me by that which is good; that sin by the >> commandment might become exceeding sinful." >> (Romans 7:9-13 KJV) Judy wrote: > Paul wrote this after he had been saved for 20yrs, > so you see we are in the same condition as the pharisees > who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery when > we go out there and try to hit the sinner over the head > with God's law. What did Jesus say: "Let he who is > without sin cast the first stone at her" While Paul wrote this after he found sanctification in Jesus Christ, this description of Paul describes life under the law, the kind of life he experienced as a Pharisee without Christ. Paul was not living in the condemnation described in Romans 7, for he explicitly says in Romans 8 that the life of the believer in Christ is without condemnation. In regards to preaching, I certainly do not throw stones at anyone. I am not trying to stir people to grab the homosexuals around us and kill them. What I am doing is warning them of the judgment that abides upon them, and that unless we think right and proper about sin, including homosexuality, we will suffer the judgment of God. If a person receives a homosexual, he will receive the homosexual's reward, but if a person receives a prophet of God, he will receive the prophet's reward. Sometimes I use the analogy that I am not a judge before them, and that I do not judge anyone. What I am like is the man in the courtroom who is familiar with the judge and therefore I am able to warn the defendants of what they can expect from the judge and what remedies they have available to them in order to receive a pardon. Judy wrote: > Jesus becomes a historical figure but ATST my heart > always condemned me without any help from a street > preacher. You were, perhaps, more sensitive to God's call than some are. I too responded without help from any street preacher. Judy wrote: > Then I suggest we start with the Church. After all > the scriptures themselves say that "Judgment will begin > at the house of God" When we who profess godliness are > free from the same sin that is out there on the street > is when God's power will be manifest as in the days of > Annanias and Sapphira. And some are already there. You mentioned Holy Hubert Lindsey, who was a modern day apostle. He passed away just last March. He had the special miracles of an apostle just like Peter did in the Ananias and Sapphira story. Twice men dropped dead at his feet just as he said they would. Once was at a tent revival he was preaching, and another time it was when he was "street preaching" on campus. Judy wrote: > I don't understand what you are getting at here. > I know the parable of the sower is the key to the > scriptures but the seed that is sown is important - > only one kind of seed produces wheat the other kind > makes tares and Satan has been wearing a clerical > collar for a lot of years now. The parable speaks of how soil affects the fruit of God's Word. What that parable does not tell you is that God also is able to plow the ground and prepare even rocky soil to receive the Word of God and bring forth fruit. That plowing of the ground, however, looks very different than just spreading the seed upon the ground. Let us receive the diversity of ministry that might be found in Jesus Christ. Judy wrote: > why do you have such a "us vs them" mentality. I am just > communicating with him like one human being to another, > that is, respecting him where he is at. Do you also respect Satan where he is at? Do you respect devils where they are at? What is amazing to me is that we have a man here who openly blasphemes the doctrine of Christ, who likes the name Pagan Wolf and considers the wolf a noble creature. Ask him what he thinks of sheep. If he is like others I have talked with, he will probably say that sheep are loathsome and dumb creatures. At some point we need to have a wall of separation between us and the world. If we cannot be separate from someone who calls himself The Pagan Wolf and who embraces all manner of teaching that is contrary to the teaching of Jesus Christ, then who can we be separate from? I certainly don't fault you from discussing with him in an amiable fashion. I learned about Paganism by taking this approach at first. But experience might have led me to have an opinion and take a stand. You ought to respect my position toward paganism at least as much as you respect Pagan Wolf's position toward Christianity. Judy wrote: > Right now TPW apparently sees the part of the Church > he's been exposed to in worse shape than him and I > don't know that TT is changing his mind any. I don't think TT will change his mind. He is welcome here to discuss paganism, Christianity, and anything else he wants, but that does not mean that some of us won't be direct toward him in our answers. I think he knows that very well and is prepared for it. Are you worried that he might run off if we don't treat him gentle like a child? Don't be worried about that. In my opinion, Pagan Wolf is a strong and intelligent person. He can take whatever we dish out to him. He is not a child. Judy wrote: > Apparently TPW has not seen a power greater than what > he attributes to his Norse mythological gods coming from > the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ and so our God is > irrelevant right now so far as he is concerned. At least > this is how it appears to me. >From my perspective, Pagan Wolf is not looking for any greater power. He worships self and boldly takes the position that this is true righteousness. Such a position is an abomination to Jesus Christ. It blasphemes the doctrine of Christ and makes the cross of Christ foolishness. He is free to share his philosophies here, but do not expect them to go unchallenged. We challenged Chuck Spingola's views when he was here, and we will challenge Pagan Wolf's views also. That is what TruthTalk is all about. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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