Kevin Deegan wrote:
No smokescreens Dave Answer the question for the lady.DAVEH: I thought I had. Which question did she ask that I overlooked, Kevin?
Or is she not ready for "strong Meat" Just ready for milk we will give answers with hidden meanings then?DAVEH: I assume that is rhetorical jive.....?!?!?!
First you say:(I am assuming Kevin quoted them correctly.) Then later it isIt is only sad that you are not considering the context of what is being saidSo at the first comment, you did not check them outThen at the second, you imply they are out of context.Which is it? It is an easy question to answerDoes the Church teach that the Book of Mormon has a Familiar Spirit?Check one:YESNODAVEH: LOL......."has a Familiar Spirit"??? The context in which you construe "has a Familiar Spirit" is not the same as Richards (and JFSjr) or even Isaiah implied. If you read all the passages of the OT that refer to "familiar spirit(s)", with one single exception you will notice they all pertain to people or persons who dabble in divining (querying) spirits in the spirit world, which the Lord condemns. That one exception is Is 29:1-4, where Isaiah foretells the future plight of the people of Jerusalem. He then (vs 4) uses imagery (which was familiar to those to whom he was preaching) to convey the message that their voices will be heard as that which comes murmuring out of the ground. It was not meant to infer that their voices (or rather their message) would be evil, but rather they would be like whispers sifting up from a place least expected.
Richards goes a step further to suggest that the spirit of that message would be familiar to those who are discerning of the Lord's gospel......hence, he uses the phrase "Truly it has a familiar spirit, for it contains the words of the prophets of the God of Israel" to connote the familiar ring of truth that comes from the prophets of God quoted in the BofM, coming to us in effect as whispers from the ground due to the nature of how the BofM was preserved.
Kevin.....if you had read all the passages in their context, you should be able to see this. If you choose instead to simply pluck the words out of context, then you can make them sound as evil as your heart can imagine.
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DAVEH: My latest post is in PINK........[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: My latest post is in RED.......Kevin Deegan wrote:DAVEH: Not true again. Previously I made reference to Is 29: 11-18, which IMO makes reference to JS.jt: How does Isa 29 refer to Joseph Smith?DAVEH: The scenario Isaiah envisions in verses 11 to 13 actually happened in 1830. If you wish, I can quote the instance (and have done so previously), but am reluctant to do so now because of the criticisms I have received about gratuitously quoting Mormon material.I'd say Galatians 1:8 more accurately describes Joseph Smith. Judy DAVEH: I know you do, Judy. Many others feel the same way, though I respectfully disagree. If you don't already know, I believe that "other gospel" was introduced via Catholicism, and subsequently inherited in much of the Protestant dogma that is commonly accepted now. That is why there needed to be a restitution of all things as Acts 3:19-21 explained.jt: The restitution of Acts 3:19-21 has not yet happened. Jesus is still held in the heavens waiting.DAVEH: Again Kevin.......thank you for posting LDS material in TT. jt: Is this really Mormon material DaveH?
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judy. As I have previously explained, it began happening in 1830.However, for the sake of this discussion, let's assume that you are correct and that it (the restitution of all things) is yet to happen..... Why would all these things need to be restored if they were already in existence? It seems to me that a restoration is only necessary IF there is first a falling away or an apostasy. Do you disagree, Judy?Joseph & the Book of Mormon has a FAMILIAR SPIRIT:
Isaiah 29:4 "And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust."
LDS say this scripture refers to the GOLD plates: "Now, obviously, the only way a dead people could speak 'out of the ground' or 'low out of the dust' would be by the written word, and this the people did through the Book of Mormon. Truly it has a familiar spirit, for it contains the words of the prophets of the God of Israel." LeGrand Richards, A Marvelous Work and A Wonder, p. 69. He was ordainedas one of the LDS "twelve apostles""ISAIAH PROPHESIES OF BOOK OF MORMON. One of the most important predictions regarding the Book of Mormon is that found in the 29th chapter of Isaiah. The prophet here speaks of a people who should be like Ariel, the city where David dwelt. They should have heaviness and sorrow and should be brought down to speak out of the ground, and their speech was to be low out of the dust, and their voice was to be as of one that had a familiar spirit." Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, V.3, p.213
DAVEH: The passages he quoted are taken from LDS related books. (I am assuming Kevin quoted them correctly.) Neither quotations/books are considered Scripture though.
You mean your church actually does knowingly promote doctrines of demons? A familiar spirit is what Jesus went to the cross to deliver us from. How sad.....
DAVEH: It is only sad that you are not considering the context of what is being said.
Judy
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