Blaine writes: Logical? conclusions, Kevin? You mean Kevin's brand of making "logical conclusions," don't you? You could only derive your interpretation of the quotes you have furnished us with (so generously) if you wanted to prove your own belief that Mormons believe something they really do not. You are not only being presumptuous, Kevin, but in being such you are jumping to conclusions that are not justified. Mormons understand the meaning of those quotes, as do all right thinking people, but . . . need I say more?
Perry responds: All right thinking people? Blaine, that is a bit presumptuous on your part. You are essentially saying that Mormons ar the only right-thinking people, because non-Mormons don't buy into that particular fantasy. Arrogant, too.
Then, Perry adds: But Blaine, one would understand those quotes in the Mormon sense ONLY if they have been indoctrinated into the MORMON paradigm, which does not, match the revealed word of God, thus, does not match reality. Blaine, some things are true whether you believe them or not.
Perry
Blaine writes: Logical? conclusions, Kevin? You mean Kevin's brand of making "logical conclusions," don't you? You could only derive your interpretation of the quotes you have furnished us with (so generously) if you wanted to prove your own belief that Mormons believe something they really do not. You are not only being presumptuous, Kevin, but in being such you are jumping to conclusions that are not justified. Mormons understand the meaning of those quotes, as do all right thinking people, but . . . need I say more?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:11 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?
There are no direct quotes stating the 'god' of Mormonism was a sinner. It follows, if you follow the teachings to logical conclusions Judge for yourself...
Apostle Orson Hyde, "God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" Journal of Discourses 1:123
Mortal means capable of Death.
Why are you mortal?
What did he OVERCOME?
1976 LDS manual "Achieving a Celestial Marriage, "... our Father in heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death." p132
Apostle Bruce McConkie "The Father is a glorified, perfected resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p 64
To be resurrected this god must have DIED!
If he needed to work out his salvation he must have been LOST!
He must have been a SINNER, cause he was LOST & DIED. ("wages of sin is death" Rm 6:23)
Jesus did not work out his own salvation!
"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?" John 8:46
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote, ". . .the process of gaining salvation is one of cleansing himself from sin. . ." MD p 536
Since the god of mormonism worked out his own salvation he must have cleansed himself from sin.
A god who was once a sinner, struggled with sin, the world, and the devil.
These ideas are EXTREMELY REPULSIVE
The One & ONLY TRUE God of the Bible
Was ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God"
Is HOLY JUST & PURE, was never never ever a SINNER!
PS 111:9 "holy and reverend is his name"
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Blaine and DaveH,
Do you believe that Father God himself sinned in the past, and that is how he has knowledge of good and evil?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ himself also has sinned in his past?
Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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