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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy:I
find it interesting that your nephew is stuck on the same question
as you. DAVEH: I think most LDS folks are curious to know how
Protestantsunderstand God's creation of Lucifer, the tree of knowledge
of good andevil and the relationship they have with the plan of salvation.
>From ourperspective, those things are very important to our eternal progression.From
what I am hearing from TTers, it seems most Protestants believeAdam's fall
was an unfortunate incident that has caused a lot of grief foreverybody.
That is diametrically opposite of my belief. Judy:In all the years
I've been around believers I've never heard anyoneagonizing over the fall.
I accept it as having taken place before I was born.
DAVEH: But.....you do prefer that it had not happened, do you
not? Judy:Makes no difference what I prefer and TTYTT I don't even
think about itin those terms. It did happen and now I must deal with
the reality.I can't do much about them but God has made a way for me todo
somethingabout me and since Jesus is the lamb slain before thefoundation
of the world,God took care of things before they happened.
DAVEH: My point exactly.....God
knew all that which would happen, which is why he put the tree of knowledge
of good and evil in the garden and allowed Satan to influence Eve.
IMHO, it was all a necessary part of his plans for us. There was
nothing unexpected or unplanned about the fall of Adam.....it was engineered
by God from before the foundations of the world. And, it was done
so specifically for our benefit......Which is why I (and Jeff) find the
pastors comment about God creating people to burn in hell simply to glorify
Himself to be so ridiculous. Now that Dean has apparently said he
subscribes to such a revolting idea, perhaps Jeff has not found anything
more ridiculous in Louisiana than what can be found in TT.
What do you mean by"eternal progression?"
DAVEH: Eternal progression is the evolution from our spiritual
birth toeventually becoming one with God, and like God. To do that,
I believeit was necessary for the fall of Adam to take place, and the grace
of theLord to provide a pathway to salvation. Judy:Why was it necessary?
God created man in His own image so if there hadbeen no fall there would
be no need for any eternal progression?
DAVEH: We were not created
as God. We were created to become like God. We cannot do that
without both a knowledge of good and evil nor without a physical body.
Eternal progression is necessary to bring us from a point of innocence
in our spiritual creation, to a point where we have an eternally physical
body and a knowledge of good and evil. However, it is impossible
to be spotless as is God, without having first having the stain of our
sins removed by the grace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Once
that happens, then we can become one with God.
and whatdoes the _expression_"tracted into" mean? DAVEH:
Knocking on doors until you tract into a situation that is a bitunusual.
I'll let Jeff speak for himself when he returns this summer, as Isuspect
he will join TT again and you can ask him personally. Judy:Has he
been born again by the Spirit of God and is he a follower of the
resurrected Christ? One who walks after the Spirit daily or is
he just
another follower of Joseph Smith and his BofM? You don't have
to answer the above ... because if that were true hewould not be a Mormon
missionary who is out there tracting. DAVEH: LOL........Ohhhhhh
Judy, aren't you cheeky! Judy:Cheeky? Why would you use that
word?
DAVEH: It is a word I learned
from the British that seemed to describe your contrived conclusion with
a preceding comment (You don't have to answer the above)
that absolutely required a response from me. In short, Judy.....you
were being cheeky by playfully twisting my arm. Well done!
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