From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why would living forever make them unredeemable?
Judy wrote: > Because they would be living eternally in that > present fallen state with no other option. DavidM: What do you mean, "with no other option." Jesus could still redeem them and they could believe in him. Why must one eventually die physically in order to be able to be redeemed? Judy: Because the first creation (the first Adam) and his seed are cursed. God does not want to spend eternity with a bunch of devils. This is why they were banished from the garden (see Genesis 3:22-24) DavidM: Paul teaches that we who are alive will not prevent those who have died. It seems to me that redemption works just fine with those who are still alive. I don't understand why you or Perry would say that there must be physical death in order for a plan of redemption to be able to be offered to man. Judy: Flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom. The first Adam became a living soul, the second a "life-giving spirit" - We must agree with God repent of our sin and reckon our old man dead before we are fit for the Kingdom of God. DavidM: I can understand how man might not want to be redeemed if he is not looking at physical death ahead of him, but I do not understand how physical death is a requirement for redemption to be offered. Judy: Depends where one is walking I guess. There is no record that Enoch or Elijah died physically and noone knows where Moses is buried. However, there is no doubt that all three walked closely with God which would mean - after the Spirit. DavidM: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord SHALL NOT PREVENT THEM WHICH ARE ASLEEP. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJV). Judy: Note it is the "dead in Christ" who are dead and those who are alive "in Christ" - Noone makes it apart from the sacrifice and obedience to the Word of God. Grace and Peace, Judy ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
