Re: [TruthTalk] street preachers/free speech

Sun, 08 Feb 2004 19:24:16 -0800

No just showing how predictable this "NEWS" scam was.

Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine:  Aww, you guys are just being defensive.  Maybe you should follow the advice af an old sage I once knew--he was LDS Pres David O McKay.  He said, "Avoid even the appearance of evil."  Maybe you guys need to try doing that on your next round of harrassing the honorable Mormon people.  Then you won't have so much explaining to do. 
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] street preachers/free speech

Blaine wrote:
> Regarding the yelling, waving underwear, etc, I am
> not speaking from my personal experience.  I am
> speaking of what I read about later in reliable
> reports.   According to reports from various sources
> --sister missionaries assigned to stand on the streets
> with the street preachers, media reports, and even
> reports from members of Protestant denominations--
> there was yelling of obscenities, waving underwear,
> even donning some of these garments. 
repeating third hand reports is tale bearing.
Have you spoken to any eyewitness Face to Face?
Here are the "various sources" for Blaines FALSE WITNESS:
sister missionaries from the FAIR web site:
"To yell and scream terrible things about the leaders, the doctrine and the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and in this way convince us we are wrong." Offensive to LDS doctrine yes, but Obscene, NO.
I tell you again if you want to hear some real gutter mouths come listen to some of the LDS Priests!
FAIR is a LDS Apologetics group. Some of the members told us personal info. They have pics & names even listing what we do for a living, on private web sites. They knew very intimate details of Larry's life. What for?
 
Media reports from KSL the Church owned TV station
If you watched the Real Video link that I provided, notice woman (mother of the bride) with Props in hand(wedding garments-they belong on bride) Notice NO Bride NO Bridegroom NO Wedding party just MOM with PROPS.
How to create news:
Take picture of SP's
Take separate pic's of a wedding party on private property behind 15 foot high fencesome 30 yards from main street(Public property)
put two in news story together.
Add MOM with prop
NOW THAT IS NEWS!
Since there is so much video and news crews on the plaza, why not just show the part with the nasty stuff and bleep it out cover the brides face for protection of identity.
Come on that would blow this thing wide open. ALAS there is no such video, just lies deceit and setup news from the church crew.
Liars Decievers Seducers!
 
reports from members of Protestant denominations
More of the same, in reports one guy a president of a christian school in Utah, even had the audacity to say he tried to talk to us but could not find us! Banners hoisted high in the air and "screaming" does not lend itself to being lost in the crowd. Come on lets get real here.
 
What kind of man would allow his new bride to be called a whore?
And would not that make some great News Video of him coming after the SP's?
This whole thing is sad, ORWELLIAN news in Utah.
Baline you are a FALSE WITNESS, repeating stories.
 
Prov 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine wrote: 
> I disagree that it is because "men like to control
> others and local government ALWAYS seeks to eliminate
> free speech,"  although that may be what happens in 
> some instances. Rather, I think it is to protect the
> rights of the populace--which is the right not to have
> to listen to themselves being insulted, provoked, verbally
> abused, and thereby preventing them from pursuing life,
> liberty and happiness, all considered fundamental natural
> rights.  As I said, your right to throw a punch ends
> where my chin begins.

You have convinced me that you do not believe in free speech. Maybe you
now need to convince yourself. I could respect what you are saying here
much more if you just came right out and said that you do not believe in
free speech.

If people need to be protected from the public speech of others, then
this is a clear statement that you do not believe in FREE speech. You
believe in CENSURED speech. You want only that speech which is
palatable and edifying for everyone. You believe like Dean apparently
does, that whoever says anything that is not edifying ought to be
silenced after a few rebukes and they still do not listen.

Blaine wrote:
> If what the person is saying is known to him as
> being an insult to the other person, he are
> definitely crossing the line, even if by his
> own definition the word may mean something else. 

Hold on there. You just crossed a big line in my book. :-)

I know that the homosexuals want to be called "gay." They are offended
to be called a homosexual. However, I am offended that they have
hijacked the English language and call themselves gay. I refuse to use
the word ga! y in reference to them, and I rebuke those who call them gay.
In my opinion, they are playing into the deceptive game of Satan.
Homosexuals are not gay, so we all ought to stop calling them gay!

Now here you come along and say that if I know that the term homosexual
offends them, then I am crossing the line if I refer to them as
homosexual. Or, suppose I use the Biblical word "sodomite." Now I know
they don't like the word "sodomite," so are you saying that when I read
Deut. 23:17 in the KJV, that I need to edit the words "whore" and
"sodomite" out of it before I read it, just because I know that some
people will feel insulted?

David Miller wrote:
>> Blaine, do you think it should be illegal to use words
>> like "whore" in public?  Do you think that words like
>> "queer" or "faggot" or "homo" or "homosexual" also
>> should be made illegal?  What about the word
>> "fornication"? ! I had a student this week tell me that
>> he thinks this word (fornication) should not be used
>> by preachers.  I asked him what alternative word he
>> would suggest we use, but he couldn't think of one.
>> I was not surprised.  :-)
 
Blaine wrote:
> Using these terms per se, is often done, even in church
> services and church scriptural classes.  On the other hand,
> accusing people of being such is and has been held to be
> basically illegal.  I am surprised the street preachers
> who did this were not sued. 

LOL. What planet do you live on? If a college student tells me that he
or she has sexual intercourse on the weekends with different partners,
you can bet that I will refer to that student as a "fornicator" to the
other students. It is NOT illegal to do so, and I have never been sued
over it.

I remember a girl coming up to me crying one nigh! t because the preacher
I was with called her a fornicator. She said he had no right to call
her that. As I talked with her, I learned that she had slept with three
different men that last year and had an abortion too. She was about to
go on a missions trip as a missionary the very next week! Well, God
brought conviction upon her and I assured her that she WAS a fornicator
and that she needed to repent. The preacher was not her problem. Her
problem was that she was deceiving herself because she did not see
herself as God saw her, which was as she really was: a fornicator.
Other Christians had deceived her into thinking that she was a good
person.

Blaine wrote:
> Regarding the yelling, waving underwear, etc, I am
> not speaking from my personal experience.  I am
> speaking of what I read about later in reliable
> reports.   According to reports from various sources
> --sister missionaries assigned to s! tand on the streets
> with the street preachers, media reports, and even
> reports from members of Protestant denominations--
> there was yelling of obscenities, waving underwear,
> even donning some of these garments. 

Has it ever occurred to you that you have been lied to? Can you imagine
what the news reports were when Paul came into town? You Mormons are
treating street preachers the same way the Jews treated the apostle
Paul.

I suggest you go down yourself and see what is going on. Don't base
your opinion on glorified gossip.

Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.

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