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Judy:
How is it you can't understand this
Kevin? Put yourself in their shoes ... This is the kind of
thing that in the
long run will bring the wrong kind of attention to all religions, the
kind that the Christian Church does not want
or need. Our National Constitution guarantees freedom of religion for everyone and that includes the
Mormons. What we (the Christian Church)
need to do is get our own act together as a
body of believers.
Dean writes 12/21:
Brother Kevin, I just read a sermon by J.Wesley
entitled "Sermon on the Mount 12" and in this sermon he dealt
with the issue of false prophets.I found the area of
identifying these false teachers to be very interesting as they not only
point to DaveH but also others on this site. I will quote some of this
sermon for you:
These are false prophets of the highest
sense of the word. These are traitors both of God and man. These are no
more than the first born of Satan; the eldest sons of Apollyon,the
Destroyer. These are far above the ranks of ordinary cut-throats;for
they murder the souls of men....
But do they come now in their own shape? By no
means. If it were so,they could not destory.You would take the alarm,and
flee for your life. Therefore they put on a quite contrary
appearance:... "They come to you in sheeps clothing, although inward
they are ravening wolves."
jt: Dean are you writing this to
show up the Mormons or is this for me since you believe I have wrong
doctrine also?
They come to you in sheeps clothen; that is
with an appearance of harmlessness. They come in the most
mild,inoffensive manner,without any any mark or token of enmity...
They come secondly, with a
appearance of usefulness. Indeed to this,to do good,they are
particularity called. They are set apart for this very thing... It is
their whole business,to "go about doing good, and heal those that are
oppressed of the devil." And you have been always accustomed to look
upon them in this light, as messages of God,sent to bring you a
blessing. They
come,Thirdly,with an appearance of religion. All they do is for
conscience' sake! They assure you, it is out of mere zeal for
God,that they make God a liar. It is out of pure concern for
religion,that they would destroy it root and branch. All they speak is
only from love of truth, and a fear lest it would suffer; and, it
may be, from a regard for the church, and a desire to
defend her from all her enemies. Above all, they come with an appearance of
love....Therefore it is that they advise you to keep still, in
the plain middle way; and to beware of "being righteous overmuch," Lest
you should "destroy yourself." Our Blessed Lord saw how needful it was for all men to
know false prophets....He therefore gave us a short and plain
rule...and easy to be applied upon all occasions: "Ye shall know then by
their fruits."... Do you expect that these evil men should being good
fruit...They who,in fact, being the proud, passionate, unmerciful,
lovers of the world, to be lowly, gentle...they are true Prophets; they
are sent from God. My dear
brethren,harden not your hearts! You have too long shut you eyes against
the light. Open them now before it is too late; before you are cast into
outer darkness! Let not any temporal consideration weigh with you; for
eternity is at stake. Ye have run before you were sent. O go no farther!
Do not persist to damn yourselves and them that here you! You have no
fruit for your labors. And why is this? Even because the Lord is
not with you. But can you go this warfare at your own cost? It
cannot be. Then humble yourself before him. Cry unto him out of the
dust,that he may first quicken thy soul;...
jt: So Dean are you saying that
the words of John Wesley are more important than the words of Our Lord
Jesus Christ? If you want to be a fruit inspector then you could
probably throw out most of the Church but then ppl are still under
construction and this is a dangerous place to put
oneself.
After so many years how many souls has Judy lead to
God-did lead one person to God?By their fruits we will know them. Now
read the blue (above) again.
jt: Spiritual fruit Dean is
described in Galatians 5:22-24 and if anyone does come to the Lord they
will have been drawn to Him by the Father most likely in spite of all
these performances out on the street rather than because of
them.
"He that abideth in me, and I in
him the same bringeth forth much fruit, for without me ye can do
nothing. If a man abide not in me he is cast forth as a branch and is
withered and men gather them and cast them into the fire and they are
burned. If ye abide in me and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what
ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified
that ye bear much fruit, so shall ye be my disciples [....] If ye keep
my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my
Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things have I spoken
unto you that my joy might remain in you and that your joy might be
full. This is my commandment that ye love one another as I have
loved you" (John 15:6,7,8,10,11,12)
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