Re: [TruthTalk] The Passion of the Christ

[Dave]

Terry Clifton wrote: DAVEH:  Until I heard Steve Brown's broadcast, I believed Paul wrote Hebrews.  Now some TTers are in agreement with SB and are suggesting the headers may be errant.  I'm trying to figure out why so many TTers have been so opposed to me suggesting there may have been errors introduced into the Bible, when they agree that the headers were introduced in such a way.  If the headers may be errant, then it logically follows that at some point God stopped preventing errant material from being included in the Bible, Kevin.  Where do you think that point of time is drawn? ===================================================================================== Dave, most of the believers I know feel that the Bible was given by God to different men at different times, and that they recorded the message that they received from Him.  These messages did not have headers and they did not have numbered verses.  Those were added by men at a later date. Why did God allow that?  For the same reasons that He allows abortion and other forms of murder.  For the same reasons that He allows men to curse His name.  For the same reasons that He allows people to worship Allah, or Buddha. What are those reasons?  I do not know.  His ways are higher than my ways. Could men have also perverted the scriptures?  If God allowed it, they could.  Did He allow it?  No one is qualified to say. DAVEH:  Seems to me that the Bible itself foretells that likelihood.  In several places, specific warnings are given to those who would add, subtract or pervert specific parts of the Bible.  If God were to prevent it from happening, those warnings would have little importance.  Read Rev 22:18-19 and ask yourself if it sounds like the Lord meant to protect the Bible from people he is warning in those verses.   All that you or I can do is make assumptions.  If we assume that some portion of God's Holy word is incorrect, then we must pick and choose what we want to believe. DAVEH:  So what's new?  Isn't that what most Christians do anyway?  That would explain the diversity of doctrines and beliefs.  IOW, don't Christians who believe the Bible is inerrant pick and choose the doctrines they believe and observe?  Seems like we've seen some of that right here on TT, have we not?     As I see it, assuming the Bible is absolutely inerrant may cause one to rationalize (some TTers have used the term harmonize) and possibly blindly accept something that may be misleading.  Isn't that what some may do IF they accept the headings as being inerrant?  I wish Dean were still with us....I wonder if he considers the headings to be inerrant?  He seemed to be so strong willed, I would not be surprised if he did.   I believe that to be an unacceptable course for myself, because I do not have the wisdom to do that.  I doubt that anyone does.  In my opinion, the safe way is to believe the whole Word is true, and to live by it.  God looks at the heart.  If you live for Him with all your heart, He will not send you to an eternity in Hell because you did your best to follow Him, using the information you had available. We are not saved by being inerrant.  We are saved by faith.  I don't think that you believe in a literal Hell, DAVEH:  That is incorrect, Terry.  I do believe in a literal hell.  I just don't believe the description of the lake of fire and brimstone believed by many Christians is a literal description of hell, but rather symbolic of the effect hell will have on those who experience it. but I hope the rest of this makes sense to you. Terry -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.