wt: I reply >
I don't remember calling it "natural generation." Are you putting words in my
mouth again?
jt: Actually I should be more accurate and say 1/2
natural generation by way of "the woman" Isn't this what you've been telling
me? That Jesus was a halfway leavened passover sacrifice?
wt:Jews and Gentiles alike are included in Abraham by way of their
inclusion in Christ (and this goes back to the go'el discussion),
because he is the true Jew, the only Jew. All others are counted in him,
and it is not just
Isaac's descendents who are included (i.e. the jews) but gentiles as
well.
jt: Let's not get carried away here Bill. Only
the ones who come his way are included. The others will be left saying "Lord,
Lord....."
wt: This inclusion is adoption. The
adoption is in Christ to the Father. The Gospel makes us aware of our
adoption, and faith is the means by which we participate in our adoption, and
eternal life is the inheritance of our adoption, and on and on; but the
adoption itself is in Christ. I think maybe part of the disconnect you are going through may have
something to do with the way in which you are dichotomizing the idea of
personhood.
jt: Excuse me? Disconnect? Actually I
am not dichotomizing - if you had been paying attention you would understand
that I am trichotomizing, same as scripture. You have your Pelagius and
Augustine. I have the holy writ.
wt: It's not like spirit and body are
segregated, the spirit being completely separate and set away from the body,
and the body from the spirit. The human body is an integrated whole. There is
spirit, yes; and there is body. The two make a whole -- it's kind of like
there is mind and body, distinct but interrelated
jt: Actually there is spirit - and there is soul - and
there is body - we are born with all three and we need
all three to be sanctified (sorry, you are one short)..
wt: When Christ defeated the spiritual aspects of
fallenness, he defeated the physical aspects, as well. He rose in the body,
too, remember. Salvation saved the whole man and not just his spirit. The
resurrection will include some sort of physicality -- restored, recreated,
glorified, however one might say it, but always physical,
always spiritual, always the whole man.
jt: He triumphed and now it is our turn to triumph
in Him because when he returns he expects us to be conformed to his image...
So now it is our turn to work out our own salvation in fear and
trembling.
judyt
God allows the devil to raise up heretics
to make his people
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