Blaine:  Sorry, but I got so far behind, I started deleting posts without reading them--it was the only way I could catch up and get current. (:>)    I even deleted DavidM's posts, which I am usually careful to read, so don't take it personally.  In fact, I unsubscribed for a couple of days while I was gone to Richfield to take my son there for a job.  But thanks for letting me know the challenge is there--who put it there?
 
Just to remind you--maybe you didn't read it, or you dismissed it as being unimportant--I have already posted on the discovery of barley in the Americas before Columbus' time.  The December 1983 issue of the Science 83 reported the discovery in Phoenix, Arizona by professional archaeologists.  Prior to its discovery, barley was thought to be an old world crop only, and was widely used by anti-BoM advocates as proof the BoM was a fake.
 
It is of fundamental importance, since barley has long been associated with the law of Moses as a wave offering during the Passover, which is held during  Abib, the first month mentioned in the Bible, which means "the greening," referring to the greening of the barley crop in the early Spring.  This crop was planted in the fall as a dry  crop.  It depended on Spring moisture to bring it up early, and was the first of the grain crops to show maturity.  When it was used as a wave offering, it signified  Jesus having barely attained maturity (age 33) when he was crucified.  The same with the Pascal lamb, which was to be a lamb or goat of the FIRST YEAR. 
 
For Lehi and his group to have left Jerusalem in 600 B.C. without barley would have seriously compromised  BoM credibility.  The BoM references to barley are found in:
 
Mosiah 7:22
"and one half of our corn, and our BARLEY, and even all our grain of every kind."
 
Mosiah, 9:9
"And we began to till the ground with all manner of seeds, with seeds of corn, and of wheat, and of BARLEY,  .  .  .
 
Alma 11:7 
"A senum of silver was equal to a senine of gold, and either for a measure of BARLEY, and also for a measure for every kind of grain."
 
Alma 11:15
"A shiblon is half of a senum;  therefore, a shiblon for half a measure of BARLEY." 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america

> Blaine,
>
>    Just a reminder that there is a challenge on the table for you to present
> one provable, or proven, fact from the BoM that did not come from the Bible.
> Maybe you have not gotten to it yet in your catching up on TT posts.
>
> Perry
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <
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> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america Date: Tue, 23 Mar
> >2004 18:19:54 -0700
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> >Blaine:  The following from the Book of Mormon--submitted by Kevin, thank
> >you Kevin-- sounds well-reasoned and plausible.  I find it far more
> >believable than the tortuous explanation Kevin gives trying to convince us
> >Jesus was referring to the GENTILES when he said "OTHER SHEEP I HAVE WHICH
> >ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD."  Note again Jesus' response when he was accosted by
> >the Gentile woman--a Canaanite--to come heal her daughter.  He said, "I am
> >not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel."   Yet He later
> >revealed to Peter that the gospel was to be preached to the Gentiles by the
> >Apostles, and that the Holy Ghost was to be the instrument of
> >conversion--not his voice.  NO Gentile ever heard his voice, no Gentile was
> >ever a witness to his ministry on earth, except by default as they may have
> >been present as he ministered to the House of Israel ONLY.  This was done
> >to fulfill the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and later to
> >Moses and other Israelite prophets.
> >
> >http://scriptures.lds.org/3_ne/15   3 Nephi 15:14-24 And not at any time
> >hath the Father given me commandment that I should tell it unto your
> >brethren at Jerusalem. Neither at any time hath the Father given me
> >commandment that I should tell unto them concerning the other tribes of the
> >house of Israel, whom the Father hath led away out of the land. This much
> >did the Father command me, that I should tell unto them: That other sheep I
> >have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall
> >hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. And now,
> >because of stiffneckedness and unbelief they understood not my word;
> >therefore I was commanded to say no more of the Father concerning this
> >thing unto them. But, verily, I say unto you that the Father hath commanded
> >me, and I tell it unto you, that ye were separated from among them because
> >of their iniquity; therefore it is because of their iniquity that they know
> >not of you. And verily, I say unto you again that the other tribes hath the
> >Father separated from them; and it is because of their iniquity that they
> >know not of them. And verily I say unto you, that ye are they of whom I
> >said: Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must
> >bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one
> >shepherd. And they understood me not, for they supposed it had been the
> >Gentiles; for they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted
> >through their preaching. And they understood me not that I said they shall
> >hear my voice; and they understood me not that the Gentiles should not at
> >any time hear my voice-that I should not manifest myself unto them save it
> >were by the Holy Ghost. But behold, ye have both heard my voice, and seen
> >me; and ye are my sheep, and ye are numbered among those whom the Father
> >hath given me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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