John S. wrote: > I can go look them up ???!!!! > No place to look, is there David.
I don't know why you would say that. Hubert preached in all 50 states and in 59 other countries. He was arrested 100 times, including being put in jail in Hong Kong, China, and outer Mongolia! You should be able to find lots of newspaper articles if you looked hard enough. I know that he spent 11 days in jail in Chattanooga, Tennessee. He preached at the University of California in Berkley around 1967-1969. Elsman mentioned that he was given some kind of award from Ronald Reagan. I don't understand why you are being so negative and critical. There are probably lots of places to look for information. Jerry Rubin of the Chicago 7 fame knew Hubert, and I think I remember a few years ago reading something from Jerry Rubin about Hubert. I think it might have been his paper at UC Berkley that gave Hubert the nickname, "Holy Hubert." How many newspapers have you searched? Which ones did you try? To help you with his educational stuff, Hubert told me that he attended the University of Wisconsin, Taylor University, and S. Baptist Theological Seminary where he earned a Master's degree. These schools account for about 6 years of his higher education. Hubert was ordained in the Baptist denomination in 1934. He studied under the Jewish Rabbi after this time, but I never learned what his name was or where it was. I think this is where he earned the doctorate, but I'm not sure about that. John S. wrote: > I am told to test the spirits to see > whether they are of God. That has nothing to do with declaring Hubert a fraud after reading some sinners post their hatred for him on the Internet. Hubert isn't here ministering to you, so what is the big deal? Why do you want to defame a dead man? John S. wrote: > My desire to verify the extraordinary claims > of HH is certainly not out of line with scriptural > injunction. I don't have any problem with you verifying any extraordinary claims. As I have said, go right ahead. For some reason you are compelled to malign Hubert as a fraud on flimsy evidence or on the lack of evidence to the contrary! Are you just trying to be spiteful toward Elsman? John S. wrote: > I would expect Billy Graham to reference him somewhere. I wouldn't expect that! Billy Graham is a political man. People who commend one another stay as far away from guys like Hubert as much as possible. Hubert has no money or prestige to offer them. He is like a homeless guy, despised by the world. Furthermore, they don't know when he, under the anointing, is going to point his finger in their face and tell them, REPENT SINNER! Why don't you write Billy Graham a letter and ask him about Hubert Lindsey? We would all like to hear how he responds. John S. wrote: > I would think Mordecai Ham would mention his name. Why? You don't seem to understand the world system and the way most ministries organize themselves. John S. wrote: > I would expect to find some reference in Catholic > literature. His PhD -- is it wrong for me to > question these claims? Not at all, but it is wrong for you to declare him a fraud when you have not done your homework. John S. wrote: > (Keep in mind that I do not care where he earned the > PhD -- just that he did as claimed.) Why? What does it matter? I agree with Hubert that too many people put too much stock in education and diplomas. John S. wrote: > An evangelist who converted 40,000 to 70,000 Jews > should have a footnote somewhere in American > historical annuals, to say the least. Thousands > of hippies? What street preacher has ever had such > success??? Hubert always emphasized his lack of success, but he was amazed when after not having a single convert for 3 years, preaching at UC Berkley, and getting beat up about 150 times by Black Panthers, the Manson family, etc., suddenly he was preaching via a communist owned microphone on a communist owned car to thousands of hippies and witnessed the greatest revival he had ever seen. Does he have any earthly recognition for his part in this? Not much. So what. God himself knows what happened, and God has some people like this in life, dedicated men who get no recognition in this life, to inspire some of the rest of us about how the last shall be first. I have no doubt that Hubert has great rewards in heaven and will have great recognition there. From the worldly media standards, nobody knows Hubert, but for those of us who did know him, we feel greatly blessed and honored. Just think of Hubert as a homeless bum who doesn't deserve any attention. Hubert would like it that way. But please do not call him a fraud based upon a few nights of searching the internet and reading the reports of the wicked. John S. wrote: > The historical record does not omit someone who > was quietly successful at such a level of > accomplishment. Yes it does, John. Others take credit. I have seen this happen time and time again in my life. If there are two or three men involved in something, and one man is unassuming and meek and sits back, somebody else will get the credit for everything. John S. wrote: > Why is it that he is the only HIGHLY successful > street preacher without historical footnote? He's not. Please quote for me all the historical information about Thaddeus, who was one of Christ's 12 apostles. His name is in the foundation of the New Jerusalem. Furthermore, I don't know anybody who is saying that Hubert was HIGHLY successful. He touched the lives of some of us. That's all. John S. wrote: > And why am I the bad guy for putting these > questions to you expecting a real answer? You are not the bad guy for putting forth questions. You are the bad guy for calling him a fraud without ever having met him and with very limited research, giving your ear to the wicked and unsaved men who have maligned him. Do you want to apologize for doing that? John S. wrote: > Here we go with that circular logic of yours. > In this paragraph you tell me to "check out" > what I read. In the former paragraph, you > reducible that very process (That would be > like looking up third party support for Jesus > .....") Did you mean to use the word "ridicule" instead of reducible? That sentence was not ridicule. I was trying to draw your attention to a parallel. Many have questioned the existence of Jesus because of the lack of third party mention of him. They ignore the fact that those who knew him were transformed by him. Therefore, we should not be surprised that the most reliable accounts about Jesus are from those who became his disciples. All I was trying to say is that I don't have answers for you because I don't spend a lot of time researching someone who was in my life at one time and now is not. I was trying to explain why I don't have the answers you are looking for. I was not trying to ridicule you, nor discourage you from checking Hubert out. The only thing you did that I find offensive is that you called Hubert a fraud based upon the report of the wicked. John S. wrote: > David, something is wrong with this HH mythology. > Maybe nothing wrong with the man but the myth seems > to be something very different. What mythology are you talking about? Are you listening to the mythology of the wicked? Look at who gives you this mythology. Preachers are the targets of all kinds of mythology. If you listened to the reports of others concerning what I have preached and taught and what I have done, you would be very convinced that I was a child of the devil. I am shocked at the reports that come back about me. If that happens to me, how much more to someone like Hubert. Judge Hubert on what Hubert says, not on what others say about him. John S. wrote: > Who are his disciples? I don't think Hubert had any disciples. He was not a pastor or shepherd. Not all apostles have the gift of pastoring. John S. wrote: > Elsman and those who are influenced by him > -- who else? I don't think that even Elsman would say that he is Hubert's disciple. I'm certainly not, but I would have been honored to have been able to have been a disciple of his. The Lord did not seem fit to allow that to be. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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