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From: "Chris Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear Izzy, Laura, and any other Women reading here: Brother Chris has invited me to prayerfully answer your questions here. I
do not generally pursue internet conversation but Brother Chris felt led to have
me give answer to you. I do not believe in instructing
men. Any scriptural precept I assert is not directed to men here.
jt: You sound like a sweet soul Connie, but still in
bondage. Jesus didn't say "my sheep follow their husband's leading" He
said "My sheep hear MY voice" There is just ONE mediator between God and
mankind. Your physical marriage and home life is between you and Chris
(your husband after the flesh) and I'm glad for you both if it is a good
one.
The scriptural challenge for us is to complete the types put forth in
scripture within our daily lives so that we can connect the dots spiritually and
become one in purpose with our Creator.
jt: Becoming one in purpose with our Creator is being
conformed to His image in Christ which is accomplished by God working in us to
will and to do of His good pleasure. This is not a by product of
the male/female marital relationship.
To say "My Father is greater than me" is not something that is naturally
occuring in our character.
jt: Not our old nature and character but in Christ we
become part of a New Creation and receive a new nature; He cleans us up from
within as we obey Him.
YahShua was a love slave for me. It was love that kept him on the
tree. I am a love slave to my husband.
jt: I'm assuming that here you refer to your spiritual
husband Jesus and yourself as part of the Church His
bride.
Modern life has lied to us a lot about what love is and about how to love
someone. I Corinthians 13 covers it. It is sacrifical. The
Almighty gave up His position and His rights so that I could live. Who can
attain it? His ways are very high. Whoever completes this type will
have wedding garments on at the marriage supper of The Lamb. It humbles me
as
I write this and realize how short I have come in reaching this goal. Still I run the race and press on putting my losses behind me. When I stumble I plead for the blood of YahShua to cover the sin and it is done. He provides that opportunity for me. He takes up the slack because He knows I'm dust. I'm weak and He knows it because He created me. My weakness does not compel me to water down His precepts that are set before me--I reach higher. I hope you have ears to hear these precepts. The world and its prince don't want you to hear them. jt: I have no problem with the above Connie,
sounds like normal Christian living to me so far.
It is scriptural for a man who is ministering truth to try as much as
possible to speak to a woman's husband or father regarding exhortation that Yah
would have her receive from him.
jt: How is this a scriptural precept? Where do
you find it? Paul addressed women in his letters to the Churches and since
there is no male, female, bond of free in Christ, where is the division
that says a man can not speak to or give spiritual exhortation to a woman
without a mediator in the flesh in His Word (under the New
Covenant)?
Indeed men are responsible for women in their lives. That is what
scripture teaches.
jt: Yes they are to love and care for their wives and
families, not provoking their children to wrath and showing the same kind of
headship in their homes that we see with Christ and His Church.
It is succouring and leading by example rather than lording and ruling over
them. Jesus calls us friends (both men and
women).
The Almighty declared that men would have the rule over women. Sarah called
Abraham Tirshatha out of obedience to the Almighty. She knew where her
safety was. She knew where her hope was.
jt: When God said to the woman in Genesis 3:16b "Your
desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you" He was making a
statement of fact. Man (because of his own choice) had (along with the woman)
become the partaker of a fallen evil nature and now the strong would
lord it over the weak as this is how it works (see it out there in the
world). Only, this is not God's will or his way. Yes, Sarah called Abraham
Lord but she was no doormat. When she told him to put the bondwoman and
her son out Abraham didn't want to do it and God was on Sarah's side (He is
always on the side of what is right) - He told Abraham in Genesis 21:12
"Whatever Sarah tells you to do listen to her. So the submission goes both
ways. Especially since Christ has restored to us what was stolen in the
garden. We (men and women, husbands and wives) submit one to another in
the fear of God. We have ONE Lord and he is not our husband after the flesh
unless that is where you are walking.
Can a house divided stand? We must be echad (one). It is the
challenge we must meet.
jt: In a marriage the husband and wife are one flesh;
in the Church we are baptized into one Spirit.
There is none good but one--The Almighty. My hope is in Him.
Whenever I depend on approval of my Husband or anyone else I run fast into
trouble. Others treating me right is a dead end. My challenge is to reach
the high mark. It is a race that is fast running out. I have no idea
how much time I have to make my real Daddy in heaven proud. Can you see
that it is the same for you?
jt: That's good....
He (Chris) does not encourage me to be an "independent thinker" and to
"stand up for my rights". That leads to death.
jt: Only if you are thinking "evil" thoughts. You are
not joined at the hip Connie and you are responsible for taking your own
thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ as per 1 Cor 10:5. Chris can
not do this for you.
YahShua protects His called out ones who are under His covering. I
want to be under the covering of my husband so
that I can learn how to be under the covering of YahShua. jt: This covering thing is another doctrine that is out
there that I don't see in scripture. Look at Israel, so long as they walked in
obedience they were blessed. Break God's law and the curse is there.
Coverings, head coverings, and dumbed down women are doctrines put together by
men. They all lead back into bondage.
Maybe someday I will get good enough at it so that other women will watch
and learn what we want them to learn -- Maybe when I'm about as old as
Sara got to be - - For His sake.
jt: What for? Jesus said that "noone born of
women was greater than John the baptist and yet the least in the Kingdom is
greater than he" (Matthew 11:11). I don't understand why anyone would want
to go back to the prison house of bondage?
We are all to learn God's ways and how to walk in them
and submission goes both ways.
Grace and Peace to you Connie,
Judyt
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