Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

[Lance Muir]

Izzy:Relax. We ain't been sucked down the vortex of sin's whirlpool just yet. I carry & sell a number of titles that would be described as critiquing homosexuality. One of Canada's leading authorities, who has paid dearly for his position, is a friend and regular shopper in our store.         ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 16:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false So why didn’t you answer my question—I really want to hear from you that this rumor was false. Izzy     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Just two eh? Hardly a groundswell. Sort of like 'The Mouse that Roared' with Peter Sellers.     ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 15:31 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   So it is unanimous from the Canadians.  (Why am I not surprised?) So why didn’t you answer my question—I really want to hear from you that this rumor was false. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Izzy:Read Jonathan's two excellent posts again. I fear that this 'religious spirit' has clouded yout judgment, at least when it comes to the US of A. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 08:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Perhaps only someone who was born and raised in this incredible nation, with the freedoms we enjoy, can understand why we are flag wavers.  BTW, I heard a rumor that in Canada it is illegal to READ anything anti-homosexual.  Is that possible??? That would certainly make the Bible illegal.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Follow up: When a sufficient number (?) of people (countries) dislike you it begins to become important to sort and sift through the reasons why.   On my first visit to a Christian Booksellers meeting (Texas) I attended a performance by Sandi Patti (a then well known Christian performer). When she appeared center stage, lit by a single spot, regailed in white, a massive flag (yours) covering the backdrop, I remember thinking: "there's a little confusion here (cross/flag)". During subsequent visits (California, Colorado, Atlanta) I noted that RELIGION ABOUNDS in your country.   Jesus (the Jew) the second Adam came to fulfil, in obedience, the Abrahamic covenant. He did this for all of humankind in all of history, with no nation set above another.   So, pray for your leaders, be 'good citizens' but, please don't participate in a 'religious spirit'. I believe that this is not of God..  ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Hughes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 19:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   My, my, lots of political stews today.  My advice: actually listen to what others think of America; it just may be true.  It may be false but people flew planes into buildings to get you to realize something.  (By the way I think it was to get the Western world to realize something, not just America).   Do you honestly think that Americans are well thought of outside of your shores?  Why do you think many of them pretend to be Canadian when they travel?  I have done a lot of traveling (3 continents) and I was taught very early to always have a Canadian flag somewhere on my backpack or clothing.  It was amazing the different reaction I received as opposed to the Americans I traveled with.  Do you have any clue as to what your country is accountable for?  Do you have any grasp of your country’s history (or do you think like Judy that the Dark Ages were actually dark?) and why so many people not only dislike you but vehemently hate you?   When one insults President Bush, one insults President Bush not you or those that admire and love him.  Your logic is ridiculous!  If what you say is true this means that one cannot critique anybody as that would mean critiquing everyone that is even faintly involved with them (and by faintly involved I mean someone who knows what they look like.  I doubt you are claiming an actual relationship with Bush).   For someone who refused to enter into theological debates you sure are willing to enter the political arena.  Which do you care about more?  Which is worth discussion more?  Is it more important to think rightly about your country or about God?  Do you realize that God is not American (or Canadian or any other nationality)?  Do you confuse America’s prosperity with God’s blessing?  Do you realize (even faintly, c’mon throw me a bone here) that being unapologetically pro-American is to be unapologetically anti-Christian?  >From some of your previous posts praising your country and its leaders one would think that you think that to be American (to agree/accept and live under the Bill of Rights and the American dream) is to be Christian.   Enough politics for me.  Either change the name of the thread or actually begin discussing the Mediation of Christ.   Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Lance, Some Americans (myself included) would consider this to be another arrogant Canadian insult. Some of us are of the opinion that President Bush, with his academic credentials included, is a LOT smarter than those who choose to insult him because they disagree with his policies (which are unapologetically pro-American).  When you insult President Bush, you insult me and everyone else who admires and loves him, AND considers him to be an answer to prayer for our nation.  Perhaps Torrance hasn’t taught you any better manners than that? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   From someone who is likely to re-elect a sincere but pretty stupid fundamentalist Christian to be the 'world leader' for four more years, I'd say you have not been examining 'horse apples' but eatin 'em.