RE: [TruthTalk] God the time traveler

Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:27:39 -0700

Jonathan, I’d be very interested in hearing about it.  (Although extremely skeptical, as you can guess!) J  Izzy  PS Jesus existed prior to His appearance as Yeshua, as I’m sure you know.  For example, remember the figure in the furnace with Meshach, Shadrach and Abednego?

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:05 PM
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Hi Izzy,

 

When Jesus came down from the Father and took upon Himself human flesh God changed.  Before this moment in space in time Jesus was not human (i.e. there was no humanity in the Godhead).  Once the incarnation took place Jesus was human and took that humanity (cleansed) up with Him when He ascended to the Father.  Now within the Godhead there is the God-man Jesus.  It is in this Jesus that we participate.

 

On top of this there are many references to God changing His mind which seem to imply that He changed as well.  Chris and Bill have been talking about God and time and whether God knows the future.  Lance referred to some authors who propose a theory called The Openness of God.  Most on this forum would not take well to this (honestly it may give Judy fits!).  It is perhaps the most hotly contested topic in theological circles today with a mass of books being written on both sides (most contra, not pro).  I could outline it for you if you are interested.  I have spent a vast amount of time studying the theory/scripture on this topic. 

 

Jonathan

 

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Lance,

 

God never changed. Do you ever base your opinions upon the Bible? God can change His mind, but HE never changes. Izzy

 

 John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

 

Psalm 15
4        In whose eyes a reprobate is despised,
          But who honors those who fear the LORD;
          He swears to his own hurt and does not change;

 

James 1
17   Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.

 

Izzy

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
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GOD DOES 'CHANGE'!! Novum (new) even for God:The Cosmos, the Incarnation, Resurrected, glorified Humanity taken into the Godhead-these are examples of 'change' and the limitations of language. 

Sent: June 29, 2004 09:05

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God the time traveler

 

In a message dated 6/29/2004 4:20:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think that as we gain increasing knowledge of science we will come to the conclusion that time is something that God has put us into the realm of (bad grammar!), while He stands on the outside.  We already know that time is one speed on earth and a different rate depending on how far out you go, or how fast you go, or some such thing. (My husband is a sci-fi enthusiast.) God, I think, just stands there and takes all of our chronological lives in at once.  Perhaps that is why He is the same “yesterday, today, and forever”? Izzy



This may be at the center of the changeless God.   Look at what is attached to "time."  Aging, enthusiasm, health, passions of all kinds, memories and attractions to name only a few.  Time is the friend of temptation and sin  --  we swear we won't do "that again," but in time we do.   In this life, God grants us the beginnings of a new nature - one that will fit into a timeless world of success and freedom and glory.  His sacrifice is "once and for all time" proving it to be eternal, the product of an infinite God.   

JDS

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