RE: [TruthTalk] Prayer Request

[Slade Henson]

DAVEH wrote:  Thank you for your below response, Slade.  However, would you be so kind as to explain what there is in the Bible that makes you think there is not a pre-mortal existence of our spirits?  IOW.....are there any passages that lead you to think our spirits did not exist prior to our birth?   slade wrote: I have explained why I do not believe in the preexistence of the human spirit. I have given the burden of proof by my explanation of your proof texts (or whatever kind term is to be used). Therefore there is no reason for me to discuss the next question.   -- slade -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, 29 June, 2004 00:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer Request Slade Henson wrote: DAVEH:  From my (LDS) perspective, I believe stories to which you are referring could be true (midrash (parable) stories of souls speaking with God before they're implanted in a body on earth) ........And, they would be further evidence of a pre-mortal existence of our spirits.   I do not subscribe to that particular belief. I do not think the passage or any other OT/NT passage supports the belief either.   DAVEH:  If Jesus could pre-exist, why not others?  Jer 1:4-5 seems evidential.  And, Job (38:4-7) speaks of the morning stars and sons of God pre-existing.....  I presume most Protestants believe angels pre-existed.  Of course, Paul (Eph 1:4-5) suggests our pre-mortal existence as well.  So Slade......Is there anything in the Bible the precludes man's pre-mortal existence in the form of spirits?     I believe Jesus preexists because He is the Holy One of Israel. All other passages you provide simply shows the sheer knowledge of God because He is able to see the future with perfect clarity. I believe these passages dictate this innate ability of YHVH. For Example, Jeremiah 1:4-5 speaks of God's foreknowledge.Job 38:4-7 is a set of rhetorical questions whose answers so clear that many miss them. Ephesians 1:4-5, again, speaks of God's foreknowledge.   DAVEH:  From that specific passage alone.  What else do you think it could infer?   Please explain how you came to that conclusion. I cannot see it.     -- slade -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Saturday, 26 June, 2004 23:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer Request DAVEH:  Slade....I've always viewed this passage as good evidence the Jews at the time of Jesus believed in an existence before birth.  How do you view the underlying message of this passage? Slade Henson wrote:   As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. His students asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Yeshua answered, "Neither did this man sin, nor his parents; but, that the works of God might be revealed in him. (John 9:1-3) -- slade -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.