RE: [TruthTalk] The bloodline of Jesus

[Slade Henson]

The whole world groans under the weight of sin. It has polluted the very "fabric" of space. We, as weak human beings, are incapable of rising above it without divine assistance, so we swim and we drown in it. Yeshua, as God, was able to walk on these waters, so to speak, and that gave Him the right to serve as The Lamb of God.   Isn't the doctrine of Original Sin the cause of Infant Baptism?   For those interested, this concept is found in many Early Church Father's writings, but not found in the Sages of Judaism.   -- slade -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Saturday, 24 July, 2004 12:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] The bloodline of Jesus Good points, jt!!!  Now, to be the devil’s advocate (moi?) is it possible that Jesus received ANY blood, genes, or anything physical from Mary? And what about Joseph—could the Father have used anything from him supernaturally, being in the lineage of David? If so, would that mean Jesus was tainted with “original sin”?  Do we really believe in original sin?  Is it our blood composition or genes that makes us sinners, or is it our choice to cave under the pressure of inherited tendencies (such of children of alcoholics)?  Did Jesus inherit any of those human tendencies to sin—wasn’t he tempted in all ways as we are? Izzy  (Obviously just thought-streaming.)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Smithson, Taylor and the Canucks ... especially for y'all   There are numerous theologians, some of whom are wonderfully Christian, who have read the creation account as allegory and have not taken it literally. And so you are not alone if you conclude that "Adam" represents collective mankind. For several reasons I do not agree with this account. The main is the bloodline. Jesus is go'el, the Seed promised in the garden. If all blood does not go back to the first Adam, then the Second Adam could not redeem all humanity in taking on the flesh of the first; for if he is not of our bloodline, he is not our Kinsmen Redeemer and thus could not represent us.   I don't expect to get any bravo for this but it is true nonetheless so here goes -  leaving the bravos for Dylan et al :).      Jesus' blood does not go back to the first Adam because He did not have a human father and so was born holy without any taint from Adam's fall..    Jesus did not take upon Himself ALL HUMANITY.  He took upon himself the seed of Abraham which is the 'seed of promise'  Hebrews 2:16   The 'seed of promise' came through Isaac (Romans 9:7 and Hebrews 11:18) and this is because he (Isaac) was the child of promise.   You are trying to make what is spiritual biological by joining it to a bloodline.  The ONLY way ALL humanity can reach God is if they come through the door by repentance and continue by faith.   Note: Jesus didn't take anyone's flesh upon himself on the cross.