In a message dated 9/7/2004 3:38:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think so, yes. Honestly, I'm still sorting out how the former (faithfulness of Jesus) encompasses the latter (our participation).
 
Many of the posts recently seem to 'detach and separate'. We need to be thinking in ways which are PERSONAL &EMBODIED.

We indwell and are indwelt by HIM. Every utterance of that reality is an approximation. All disagreements take place over the latter by necessity.
 


Phil 2:12-13 has to figure in the mix.   This is one of the questions I intend to give to you with Kruger in mind.  To my way of thinking, if "if" is not part of the equattion in some manner, we are talking about universalism.   I do not think this response is formulaic (word?) in nature.  I am considering the notion that "the faith of Christ" issue is somehow related to the Phil passage above and such passages as John 6: 29 and 44 (and the surrounding context, of course.)

John 


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