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Izzy in red: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Izzy, your first response to the helpful
links posted by Lance was, “Do not post liberal propaganda on
TT.” Now that we know that you are the newly promoted moderator
able to dictate TT’s content you then continue to respond to a thoughtful
post by Marlin. As I said before, we need
to avoid turning this formum into a propaganda website (of any kind), and get
off the track of pursuing Christ.� Politics has a habit here of turning into a
shouting match free for all.� I know Marlin is not a particularly political
animal. (He is into conspiracies, but not necessarily politics.) Your fear of liberal propaganda is interesting. What are you
afraid of? That’s rather like
sodomities calling people who find their lifestyle abhorrent “homophobes”.�
They flatter themselves with the epithet they cast at others. If you were so certain in your political faith, liberal propaganda
(read – the truth) should not affect you at all. See above. Again the discrepancy: I
can call your view of God abhorrent and you barely blink. That’s different than you casting insults and slanders about
my God, isn’t it? That is what you do politically (as do all people who
cannot defend their point of view without name-calling as a substitute for
reason.) I have no problem with discussing a specific point about my views.� I
do have a problem with nasty insulters. A post
that may intrude upon your political persuasions causes all sorts of cattiness
to come out. So—I’m a cat! (duh!)
The question to be asked yet again is why do you
hold your politics closer to your heart than your Christianity? That is merely your opinion, and baseless at that. See previous
sentences please. Why is one
(neoconservative politics) so much more important to you than the other?
Why does one have an emotional reaction (always negative except in fawning
worship (See how insulting you are? Do you have any
clue, Jonathan? This is a definite problem whenever you try to get someone to
be “open minded”.� What are you thinking?????) sessions of your president)? I think a lot about you. You are
obviously bright and care for your family. (Bright???� How about brilliant???) �You are obviously a lover of God and committed to Him. What
I don’t understand is why you are not open-minded in your quest for
truth. (What makes you think YOU
are and I am not? What if the reverse is true? Would you see it? (Hint: No!) You see, politics are an untouchable area for you, one you refuse
to study. You see, I think that if you actually understood Bush and his
colleagues, as a Christian you would steer the widest path around him as
possible (and the second choice of Kerry is not much better; the country will
still be led off the cliff, just a bit later). What keeps you from
reading books, articles etc. from the ‘other side’? Because they are all written by liberals, which means slanderers and
insulters with no real evidence to discuss—only nasty, baseless, biased
allegations.� Neither you or Lance has ever produced a single bit of proof
about anything you say.� You just say here’s a website, here are some “masses”
of books and liberal media publications—go read them.� You have not one
thing to say for yourself.� Frankly, I don’t care.� I’d rather let God
change your heart by talking about Him and His Word. The mass of evidence is so much it is unbelievable (True—your words, not mine.). I have a theory about forums such as this
one. I think that it is extremely rare to see someone actually change
their mind. The first barrier is an inability to admit that they were/are
ever wrong. Judy is a good example of this. Judy has expressed a
few times that her understanding of God has never been wrong; hence the
certainty of all her posts being correct leading mischievous people to call her
the ‘voice of God’. I see far more humility in you Izzy and
think that you would admit you were/are wrong if the situation demanded it. (Nope; if it were true.) This
leads to my second barrier. I do not believe that anyone will listen to
another in a way that makes them vulnerable unless they have full respect for
the person speaking. Better yet, if they
respect God. This is perhaps the
major reason true change rarely happens on Truthtalk no matter how much truth
is being thrown around. Three people have generated little respect on
this forum; Lance and I for holding different views than most and sharing some
of them with a coat That’s a euphemistic
way of putting it. of sarcasm (Judy and you
also make posts dripping in the sarcastic) and DaveH for being Mormon and
therefore being automatically placed outside the circle. (DaveH is well loved here.� Weird, but well loved. J ) You yourself have expressed that you want nothing to do with
our theology. Righto, if it makes you
hate what is good and love what is evil; which is the appearance politically. �This is mostly due to wanting nothing to do with liberals which is
a word you use in almost every other post (as your Christian version of a swear
word). Even your reading of Kruger’s book was just a caricature of
thought instead of an honest reading with an open heart. Nice view you have there of my heart. Actually, I was hoping to find
something good there, and was very disappointed. There is one person you respect on this forum – David
Miller. If David Miller had took to heart what we are saying (as he
started to do before being having his unscriptual view of sin being outed by
myself– he has posted once since) then you might think, “hey maybe
this is worth understanding.” Now that he has left us for greener
pastures I hold that there is no chance of you actually changing. There are a lot more who I love/respect/appreciate on TT.� Even you
and Lance on your (occasional)good days. J One person on this forum has changed in the last 6 months and that
is John Smithson. The reason? John respected Lance and was open to
hearing him. The growth of John in the last six months is
astounding. What John has chosen to
believe just shows where his heart was to begin with. Most of us are followers. If a leader thinks a point is
worthwhile considering, as followers we think a point is worthwhile
considering. With no leader to dialogue with there is no hope of
change. This is the real substance behind my ‘End of
Truthtalk’ post. Those that hold their opinions will continue to
hold their opinions. No real dialogue will occur. Comments are made
that our attitudes display hatred and condescension completely avoiding seeing
the exact same attributes in yourself (and Judy). Lance and I have turned
to making shocking comments (like Lance’s story of punishment yesterday)
in order to wake some of you up to what you actually believe. It isn’t shocking. It’s what we, in Well this post has meandered enough and is
not very well written. More of a stream of conciousness. My main
question is, “How do we dialogue on this forum in a way that fosters the
participants listening and hearing each other?” By honestly voicing opinions or even venturing thoughts we aren’t
sure of without expecting anyone else to agree.� By trusting the Holy Spirit to
change hearts without our help. How do
we disagree with one another while still generating respect? By refraining from insults and slanders would be a good start.� Respecting
me means not disrespecting those that I love.� You will always come out on the
bottom if you trample those who I already respect—they earned it.�
Remember: I am rabidly loyal. My #1 attribute and flaw, perhaps. This is not currently happening. How do you know.� All spiritual growth is slow growth.� If you see
big changes all of a sudden, they were in the making for a very long time. If it isn’t changed it really will be the End of Truthtalk. That’s entirely up to God.� Thanks for the honesty,
Jonathan.� I always like that. Izzy Jonathan From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Marlin, Any chance the advance planning
was done by the devil? Izzy From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played
the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To
"pull" off a demolition of that magnitude, there had to be a
great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel
Edmonds. --Marlin
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