RE: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?   Jonathan wrote: > ... the 'I'll just call em liars' post etc.   If you go back and look, I think you will find that YOU changed the meaning of Terry's post.  I do not remember him using the word "liar."  He said that perhaps it would have been better to use the word "lie."  In other words, his focus was upon what was said and not who said it.  This is proper TruthTalk debate.  We attack IDEAS not the people who say them.   In any case, I would not agree with Terry changing his words from dog doo doo to lie.  He felt that he caused the foul language by you to be posted to the list, but I think calling it "dog doo doo" would be a little less offensive than "lie" because "lie" implies an intent to deceive (which can be perceived as a personal attack). Terry was just trying to communicate that he did not have much respect for the concept being expressed.  That means that whoever holds that concept might try harder at explaining it if it is really a good truth that needs to be heard.   Jonathan wrote: > The only hope for change would be if David Miller did > a post to you asking you to take your position on this > forum more seriously.   I personally believe that Izzy has crossed the line many times.  If I were moderator, I would be correcting it each time it happened.  Many on TruthTalk know that years ago when I moderated the list, I did this often, and I took a lot of heat for it.   Izzy, I do think you should consider your past one-line attacks and reconsider how helpful they are to discussion.  Remember the rule:  attack concepts not people.  Challenge one another with the goal of leading all of us to a more enlightening position.   Peace be with you. David Miller.   Okay—I’ll try to notice if I’m “attacking” someone (specifically). Iz