Well put John,
 The keepers are accumulating, I think I'm going to have to start a file, hows this, "Smithson's Wisdom"
or "Truth According to John"
Jeff
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Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 22:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unilateral covenant
Your illustration gives only one "choice"  --   active participation.   You seem to like the idea of a harsh God.    One is not a "passive participant" because he violates accepted norms set by society.    With such "logic,' we would argue that one is "active" when in compliance with the rules and "passive" when in violation.  


You and I are passive participants, as I see it, in that life comes to us through no effort of our own;  our bodies survive because, in part, of certain involuntary responses;  age happens;  our very personalities and many of our emotional and intellectual concerns are gifts to us;  our (read "my") ravishing good looks are not indebted to personal effort; whether I am white, black, yellow or whatever is of no personal effort   -----------   in fact, I could argue effectively that everything I am as a cultural being is ultimately the result of influences not  the result of personal effort.  


So it is with the covenant.    Gal 3:16 tells us that the covenant promise was given to Abraham and his seed, Jesus Christ.   Christ has made it possible for God to view the heart of man, his intentions, his desire to live for others and be found in participation with the Communal God.    So Abraham is "saved" in spite of his lack of faith (i.e. the circumstances involving his wife) and Samson is "saved" in spite of his continued lust and a vengeful attitude that resulted in his death.   Did they participate?   Of course.   Did this participation result in their sanctification.   Absolutely not.    As high as we can jump  --  we will never look anything but silly when measured against how high we MUST go to find ourselves in the heavenly place (think allegory).  Our activity is dwarfted by the benefits of God's promises as we stand ourside our tent, left with nothing to do but count the stars and say, Praise the Lord.   

John

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