David/Slade:Have you both read 'The Sabbath' by Abraham Joshua Heschel and/or 'Keeping the Sabbath Wholly' by Marva J. Dawn?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 14, 2004 17:27 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Sabbath > Sent: Tuesday, 14 December, 2004 16.24 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sabbath > > SLADE: Using Philo would be a good source for this discussion, whereas > "Maimon. Hilch. Sabbat, c. 8., sect. 3 & 7" is 1200 years removed. I enjoy > Maimonides's counterpart far better -- Ramban -- much better (which says > nothing about the incredible contributions R.Maimon made, of course). > > DAVID: Now please don't misunderstand me to be arguing that Jesus broke the > sabbath. I am simply recognizing that this situation is a little sticky. I > have even heard some Messianics claim that this phrase that says they > plucked grain was added to the text by a copyist and is not to be trusted as > Scripture. Now I realize that you are going to ask me, "who," so a quick > google gave me > the following quote for you: > > SLADE: NO need. I know many personally. You did mention D.Flusser whom I > have a great deal of respect. Also check out P.Lapide as well. He does a > great job with a book about the Sermon on the Mount, but he does a lot > regarding "Christian editing" as well, of which I disagree. I do not argue > that there are not redacted segments written by scribes because we see > evidence of editing when comparing texts, but not in the sections suggested > by Lapide OR my friends/acquaintances. > > DAVID: I hope you don't believe in the liberal understanding of Hillel in > regards to divorce. Hillel taught that a man could divorce his wife if she > spoiled his dinner. :-) Shammai taught the same as Jesus did on marriage > and divorce. > > SLADE: My opinion is that Hillel was probably the fourth greatest Rabbi of > the 1st Century CE (aside from Messiah who is FAR above all Rabbis). > > DAVID: If I am correct, my faith could be worthless? I proved Yeshua was a > false Messiah? I don't think so. I don't know if this is a gross > misunderstanding of what I wrote or an attempt at assasinating my character. > :-) Try reading my previous post again, or let's just kiss and makeup. > > SLADE: Well, if you want to lock lips, I guess I'll place mine against the > screen, but it's not necessary. I was only suggesting that if you determine > Messiah broke Torah, broke Shabbat, and/or taught others to do so, then the > Jewish people will not accept this Messiah because Moses tells them not to. > Continue teaching (not necessarily you, David, but anyone) that Yeshua did > not keep Torah or that He set aside Torah, and you steal the Messiah from > the Jewish people. UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes about, all of > Israel will NOT be saved. That's what I'm all about. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
