Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor

[Lance Muir]

I do not know how to speak on this. I've, so far, only understood the Incarnation as relates to the Cosmos. I'm certainly open to hearing how he might be included. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 17, 2004 07:17 Subject: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor   [EMAIL PROTECTED]> JBPhillips once wrote a book, which while not great, did have a great title: 'Your God is Too Small'.   jt: So?? Are you going to propose that even the devil was part of the incarnation? [EMAIL PROTECTED]> It means despite some misguided attempts at interpreting scripture John thinks as I do, Judas Iscariot is not neccessarily burning in hell. Judas did what he did from the heart, he loved Yeshua and in his own way was attempting to force Yeshua's hand. Did it backfire? some might say yes, but it worked according to God's plan. To me thats as it had to be.  But some have to kick the scapegoat even harder than he kicked himself. May I suggest an intense study of Jewish history? It seems lacking here!  jeff   jt: Is this the fruit of total Torah obsession Jeff?  Have you even read the New Testament?  Sure Judas did what he did from the heart - but it was a heart filled with Satan.  Read "Satan entered into him"(John 13:27). How will an 'intense' study of Jewish history change that fact and in which direction IYO was Judas trying to force Yeshua's hand? Judas was an open door for Satan anyway. By his own choice he had become a thief and extorter by stealing money from the treasury over a period of time which proved that his love of money exceeded his love for Yeshua and at the end his idol turned on him.  Sure he was sorry but he did not go in repentance to the one who could and would forgive his sin - he turned to the blind religious leaders.  Selah!   From: ShieldsFamily I repeat, John�Jesus said Judas was lost.  You can toss out all the definitions you want, but you know what Jesus meant.  Izzy Actually I don't.   I have never studied the issue.   I am not saying you are wrong  --  I am saying that "lost" does not mean "lost."   The biblical message is not that simple.  If it were,   all honest people would agree.    But there is much much more to this business of spiritual growth than meets the eye.   You know that !! John   John, wake up. Did you ever sing Amazing Grace?  Remember the words, �I once was lost, but now I�m found,�? What did that mean to you? Izzy