[TruthTalk] The Right Way To Get To The Truth

[Judy Taylor]

ï From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Izzy wrote:  John says what we do is an irrelevant thing,   Gary wrote: myth (no evidence)   David writes: In the scenario that John outlined, let's focus upon two homosexuals.  One homosexual man struggles with the fact that he is having sexual relations with another man, something he knows that he should not do, but he does it anyway.    Another homosexual man sees no problem with it and indulges in the same activity with absolutely no sense of guilt or conflict.  It seems to me that according to John, the fact that they are both engaged in homosexual activity is irrelevant.    The one who has embraced truth is the one who struggles with what he does, but the one who does not struggle with what he does is the one who has rejected truth.  I think the characterization of "what we do is an irrelevant thing" is fair in this context.  If it is not, then please explain because in the scenario that John himself outlined, whether people sin or not is not the relevant thing.  What is relevant is whether or not they struggle with their sin.    jt: To me John is putting the homosexual scenario into his concept of Romans 7 ie: V.15 "For that which I do I allow not; for what I would, that I do not; but what I hate, that I do... and Paul goes on to say in Vs.17 that it is not him doing these things but sin that dwells in him because he delights in God's Law after the inward man but there is another law working in his members warring against the law of his mind and bringing him into captivity to the law of sin."     Perhaps the first homosexual man's conflicted conscience causes John to believe he is further along than the second - who has no qualms about what he is doing. However, Paul does not remain in his wretchedness and neither should they or we if we choose to serve God because Paul goes on to say "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit; for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1,2); it is impossible to act out homosexual impulses in the Spirit.   So if this in fact is what John is saying then I wouldn't agree that the characterization of "what we do is an irrelevant thing" is fair in any context because the wages of sin has ALWAYS been and is still DEATH and it is our responsibility as servants of the Lord is to tell it like it is.   Grace and Peace, Judy