JT: Jonathan,
what you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your
business. If you can
not be part of
the answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know
this is a public list
but your input
on this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick
with your theology.
Judy says:
What I have learned through all of this though is how little love there
is among those who profess godliness. So many seem to want to get in and
lay on another 'stripe' - accusation and condemnation reign. Is it
any wonder people lack vulnerability and openness in Church
settings? - they would be eaten alive. Where is the love that
covers the multitude of sin? judyt
Jonathan
responds: I believe this is very much my business. Your practice of hypocrisy has been aimed at me many times in
the last year. Many posts with your long list of put-downs towards
Godly men I respect and admire, your rants against theologians and even
theology itself have been during conversations with yours
truly. This is very much a �me� issue. I have reproved you on this very issue what, half a
dozen times in the last year?
And as a case
in point that 1) you give out just as much as you take, and 2) lack the
love you wish others had please see your post above. Your �best to
stick with your theology� has accusation and
condemnation all over it. Where is the love
Judy? This is you laying yet another
�stripe�. What we are seeing here is your defenses running full force against what has been
exposed as your hypocrisy.
When people
have brought your harshness/bitterness/lack of
love in your emails to you, you have always hid behind the
line that what you were saying was true even though it didn�t sound
loving. That it was better to reprove
someone in love even if you had to use tough love. That
you had such concern for the members of the forum that you would take a
stand and do this. When people do it to you, you claim �how little
love there is among those who profess godliness�. You will do anything but address the issue of hypocrisy in
your life, even to the point of lashing out at those who expose it (slade
deserves an apology from you for the way you have reacted to his
reprovals). None of us want you to be in the position you are in
Judy. We all want to see you move beyond it
to healing. Jonathan
And the
following is what I didn't want to respond to:
I am not
speaking of your plagiarism. I
really care less about it...
jt: Then
why do you continue to feed comments like Gary's and help to keep the
issue alive? You know, like "he who is without
sin?"
JBH:
You (Judy) labeled what Gary said as an ad
hominem. It wasn�t. You were wrong. You accused a brother of something that was not
true. When David thought that John did this he went off
his rocker and threatened to shun John. When you do it we just
smile and say, �there she goes again�. And
as usual you refuse to accept the moderator�s authority.
You wouldn�t let you kids get away with this type of behavior but you
like to express it here.
unless you
were jabbing pin and needles into others for plagiarism. Sometimes the
words of another human being expresses our thoughts better than we
can. I also don't
care about "cuss words"
unless it's overdone. These are not holiness issues to
me.
jt: So it
does not bother you if sweet and bitter water come from the
same fountain?
JBH:
Sweet and bitter water come from your typing hands
daily. As proved to you lately sweet
and bitter water have come from Finis Dake.
I am
extremely concerned over hypocrisy. I fear it in my own life and I
yearn for people to express their concerns regarding the hypocrisy
they smell in MY life. This trait manifested in the last
week, and you have
NOT repented of it.
jt: Excuse
me? I have publicly repented/apologized to people on
this list and I have dealt with my own heart before the Lord. Do
you need something special Slade? I'm sorry that this does not
measure up to your standard. Will you forgive
me?
JBH:
You halfheartedly apologized to people on
this list. Bill accepted it. What Slade points out is that
while you apologized for your plagiarism you did
not apologize/repent of your hypocrisy which is well documented
on this forum. You have been called on it and we should all expect David Miller to jump on you
like he jumped on John threatening that you be shunned and
removed from fellowship until you have repented. If he does not
then we know that he just has it in for John and could care less about
the rest of the forum.
In fact,
you hide
behind weak screens
like "Dake is not
a theologian" and
"Dake was a
spirit filled man which I believe gives one more insight into
certain truths" which
makes it all right for YOU to quote him, but quotes of other men are
worthless, incessant wadings.
jt: The
late Finis Dake was not a theologian and what I quoted was truth
no matter where it came from. But Truth appears only a minor issue
here some seem to be much more interested in nit
picking.
JBH:
Finis Dake was a theologian. You are a theologian. Please
learn the term. Is a theologian only one who gets paid to
theologize? Silly. Truth is
much more of an issue here than you seem to be able to see.
There are few people that I know of that nit pick
more than you do. The old plank in the eye thing
Judy.
All you have
to do is go back through those archives and see how many times you say
something like "all I need is Scripture." What's
worse, is you criticize the Pharisees for
being hypocrites!!!
jt: What I
meant to convey is that if we are going to major on talking about
truth we would be better off to stay with Scripture; as for the
Pharisees, Jesus called them hypocrites so I am in
agreement with the Master. They put loads on other people that
they weren't willing to carry themselves and I'm beginning to wonder
if there isn't some of the Pharisee spirit here right
now.
JBH:
You change your tune more than an old
piano. Scripture does not have a monopoly on truth.
You have yet to use scripture in this post. Blah blah
blah.
Apparently,
the fruit doesn't fall far from the
tree.
JBH: A
typical poke. Nice bitter water coming from this water
fountain.
THIS is the
issue of greatest concern. It's not a
case of rubbing it in.
jt: Then
why do you keep doing so and delving into all the details again
when you do it?
JBH: Because you have a lot to learn about
yourself. Please learn it so we don�t have to continue to
do this with you every month.
It's a case
of wishing you the best in your life. Hypocrisy
will destroy you unless you give it to God. --
slade
jt: What
does God want with it Slade? My you have a back
handed way of wishing me the best in life - Like nothing I say
makes a dent in whatever you have already concluded
concerning me. But Oh well, all I can say is that I am so
glad God does not hold grudges.
JBH:
You don�t think God holds grudges?
Hmmm somehow I think you are misleading people here. Do you
think God sends people to Hell? Sounds like
quite a grudge. Love me or burn!
P.S. I
asked a question about the two messages that went astray Slade
- up front and out in the open, giving you the opportunity to respond
in kind...
jt: Others can
do whatever they like Slade. I just got weary of being confronted
with the doctrines
of certain men
over and over, and over, and over on TT. Also I don't use my
Dake's Bible in any closet,
it's right out
there on the table with the others and I've made no secret of
the fact that that I have one.
BTW
since I have publicly repented for this why is it not
dropped? Is God in favor of beating
ppl
over the same
offence 70 times 7? The thread should be defunct and yet
you the Moderator go on to
feed Gary's
insult as follows:
myth
(e.g.,
reflectg on her exchngs, even with you: her posts indicate
her monolithic presumption
of theolgicl
superiority)
Within
the context of this thread, I disagree.
jt:
The mind boggles; in light of the above gets by then what left
to moderate??
PS:
The reason I am responding publicly is because you initially posted
this publicly which David has
"Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes: Jonathan in
dark blue as JBH.
JT: Jonathan,
what you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your
business. If you can
not be part of
the answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know
this is a public list
but your input
on this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick
with your theology.
